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15 Dec 2012, 5:20 am

a news report talked about tourette's syndrome in tandem with an autism syndrome diagnosis and
someone immediately picked up on his "asperger's" after the neighbors said Adam Lanza was a loner.
can a very bright autistic person be confused with an aspie? if so, then are the twitches that do go
with tourette's psychosomatic or metabolic? if there are the nervous twitches and/or a sleep apnea
in addition to autism or asperger's, then how accurate was the diagnosis? this is not just a high I.Q
person who is only an autistic individual or a quite classic actualized asperger's syndrome diagnosis.
the coverage has been extensive on our local televison stations and on CNN. its been a very long day.

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15 Dec 2012, 5:23 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

JacobV wrote:

I suspect we've all had these fantasies at his age. We just don't act on it. Many people with autism have other forms of mental illnesses as well. You don't kill people if you just have AS

Try telling that to NT's in the media, and the NT's who
don't know anything about Asperger's, save what they hear
on TV. Am I an alarmist for fearing an Anti-Aspie backlash?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

the possibility of the tabloid press 100% running with the story
here in the states is very high, and asperger's syndrome as a
topic will have the "talking head" media experts being opinioned.
this is part of the reason why WRONG PLANET exists today....

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15 Dec 2012, 5:41 am

http://www.eagletribune.com/local/x2120 ... -Hampshire

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15 Dec 2012, 5:47 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

John_Browning wrote:

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TheygoMew wrote:

Getting rid of guns will result in other acts of violence. Stabbings, chainsaws, homemade bombs. This will not stop violence.

Okay, I'll just have to outrun Leatherface. :lol:

But seriously, while those other tools of mayhem can and are indeed used to murder people, the fact is, gun deaths are much more numerous and can cause more extensive injuries. I can outrun a guy with a knife, but a bullet will always be faster than me.

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It's when there's nowhere to run that the bodies really pile up. See the knife massacre in China the other day. It left just as many kids dead.

Granted. In most cases, though, I would think a reasonably healthy unarmed adult would stand a better chance fighting a killer with a knife than he/she would with someone wielding a gun.

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I'd like to answer that, but must decline out of fear of starting a terrorist manual here.

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15 Dec 2012, 5:58 am

John_Browning wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

John_Browning wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

TheygoMew wrote:

Getting rid of guns will result in other acts of violence. Stabbings, chainsaws, homemade bombs. This will not stop violence.

Okay, I'll just have to outrun Leatherface. :lol:

It's when there's nowhere to run that the bodies really pile up. See the knife massacre in China the other day. It left just as many kids dead.

I'd like to answer that, but must decline out of fear of starting a terrorist manual here.

Fair enough. :lol:

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15 Dec 2012, 5:58 am

John_Browning wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

TheygoMew wrote:

Getting rid of guns will result in other acts of violence. Stabbings, chainsaws, homemade bombs. This will not stop violence.

Okay, I'll just have to outrun Leatherface. :lol:

It's when there's nowhere to run that the bodies really pile up. See the knife massacre in China the other day. It left just as many kids dead.

Uh No. No-one died as a result of that. Maybe if he had a gun..

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15 Dec 2012, 5:59 am

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http://www.eagletribune.com/local/x2120616101/Killers-family-rooted-in-Merrimack-Valley-southern-New-Hampshire

Wait a minute - - this source claims there's no connection between the shooter's mother and the school he shot up? Has this been confirmed by any other news source?

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15 Dec 2012, 6:05 am

another news story had some towns people talking about her working as a substitute teacher.

if she is not a fulltime teacher with tenure she may not have had her name on a list. a school can

have a substitute work for less than a day or two, her college degree would answer the question.

adam lanza had moved into the town after his sixth birthday. he did not revisit an old classroom.

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15 Dec 2012, 6:29 am

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The guy had an arsenal.

The guy had two pistols, a Glock and a SIG, with which he apparently did all the shooting, and an AR-15 variant of some sort left in the trunk; that's hardly an arsenal. In fact, what strikes me about that particular collection of firearms is that those are all guns associated with law enforcement, and thus very, very common in civilian hands as they have already been proven effective and reliable in police usage. In car terms, we're talking like a Jetta, a 325i, and a Suburban in terms of popularity and ubiquity, not some exotic high speed low drag ninja assassin guns here. The high body count is due to the sick bastard choosing a very soft and target rich environment, not the weapons used. I mean we're talking victims that could offer no resistance at all, he probably could have done about as much damage with a single action revolver, or even something like a large edged weapon or bludgeon.

The intended application of those particular weapons, assault rifles and any type of handgun is expressly for use against other humans. Not hunting, not sports - they were designed to be used to kill human beings.
So why would anyone want those in a domestic environment? I do not think it is normal to want the capability to be able to kill other people. What normal person wants to be able to kill other people?
Do you have such weapons? If so I wonder why.
Enquiring minds want to know.

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15 Dec 2012, 6:41 am

If I lived in the states, maybe I'd choose to get a handgun for protection, depending on the locality.
Gun crime is so rare in NZ, we dont need to worry about protection.

I had a pump action shotgun a few years back, but sold it.
We dont need guns for defence in NZ because no one else has them......

What are handgun permit rates in a city like NY?
10% of the population? and I would definitely tool up too, just for protection

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15 Dec 2012, 10:15 am

Dox47 wrote:

nostromo wrote:

The guy had an arsenal.

nostromo wrote:

I seriously doubt you know enough about firearms to know which has what purpose.

nostromo wrote:

So why would anyone want those in a domestic environment? I do not think it is normal to want the capability to be able to kill other people. What normal person wants to be able to kill other people?
Do you have such weapons? If so I wonder why.
Inquiring minds want to know.

Given the high number of the kinds of weapons you seem to be talking about in society the number of people that use them in shootings like what we had in Connecticut yesterday is tiny. AR-15's, for example, have been on the market since 1963 or 64 and have become increasingly popular since, especially in the past 10-15 years.
I have all kinds of firearms including two AR-15's.
For me it's one of those Asperger's obsession things that I've had ever since I can remember and since I can feed that obsession I do.
Aside from my fascination of them and taking them shooting often they are an asset because of the unstable world we live in.
If worse comes to worse it's better to have and not need than to need and not have.
I could go on into more detail but I have other similar threads to attend to.

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15 Dec 2012, 10:44 am

Dox47 wrote:

Arsenal - a collection or supply of weapons or munitions. This guy had THREE weapons. Not one. THREE. It was an Arsenal.

I'm even worried you have extensive knowledge in this area? Are you employed as a policeman or in the military?!

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I seriously doubt you know enough about firearms to know which has what purpose.

I'll tell you what I know about firearms...
firearm - a small arms weapon, as a rifle or pistol, from which a projectile is fired by gunpowder.
arms - Usually, arms. weapons, especially firearms.
weapon - any instrument or device for use in attack
attack - to set upon in a forceful, violent, hostile, or aggressive way

The purpose of firearms is clearly to attack an opponent. Can you think of any other uses for the Chinese fire lance other than to kill?

Or are you stating that guns have other purposes? Ones with in built defibrillators, or potato peelers?

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15 Dec 2012, 11:41 am

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Dox47 wrote:

Raptor wrote:

I seriously doubt you know enough about firearms to know which has what purpose.

i do have a lot of experience with guns and hunting,had venison for dinner last night.
yes some guns are designed for self defense and others for hunting.but if they banned automatic assault rifles people would just use hunting rifles.
and if they banned the classic deer rifle people would just use muskets,and if they banned muskets people would use knives and inevidably swords and such would make a comeback

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15 Dec 2012, 12:02 pm

Hmmm.... Gun vs Knife. I know which I'd rather face against.

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15 Dec 2012, 2:28 pm

OliveOilMom wrote:

In my town, everybody has guns. Ten year old kids have their own shotguns. We don't have violent crime. Know why? Cause everybody has guns. Nobody WANTS to get shot.

FAB! and so true.
Rooten Tooten Moma!

I expect to spend wks (as an American 15yrs in England) trying to help open the eyes of the British that Gun control will not happen. Politicians can't even mention the word.

I am ASPIE married to an ASPIE, own a Glock. Mother to grown sons who greatly enjoy taget shooting out in the desert of Idaho. And own, I have no idea how many guns (besides musical instruments). My sons 'third wheel' (best friend), son of a physhologist and an elementry school teacher ended his misplaced life with a gun to his head.

The biggest inheritance fight over my father and grandfathers things was about who got what of their Guns!

BUT guns are only tools.

IMO it that media including 'entertainment' media that pushes violence is where we have to look for a solution.

It is no wonder so many sensitive passive types are being born the tide must shift!

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15 Dec 2012, 2:48 pm

If USA gun laws and prevalent ownership rates are so good at protecting innocent people, why are so many being shot?

To fix this problem I see no easy answers.

Introducing legislation or toughening firearm laws will only mean the criminals who do what they want anyway..... will continue with illegal weapons etc.... while honest laws abiding citizens will lose their defence

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