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23 Jan 2013, 6:02 pm

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Considering a fetus to be a 'person' is an opinion so ridiculous it calls for more than just a statement, but no matter what your justification is, nothing alters the fact that is is only a part of a woman's body.


It's not part of the woman's body. It's inside her body, yes, but it's its own person.

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You hide behind a philosophical foil while advancing a moral and ethical corruption.
You demonstrate contempt for the well-being of a great many women and their unwanted or orphaned potential children.
You are playing a game who's issue threatens to harm a great many lives.
There is nothing 'pro-life' about your argument.


This is PPR. You should expect assertions you make without backing them up to be challenged.

Don't take things too personally.



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23 Jan 2013, 6:02 pm

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Have you ever asked those children whether or not they wished they weren't alive? You are looking at it from only one relatively narrow perspective (quite possibly with a feministic agenda). You assume they didn't ask to live, but how do you know that's how each one of them feels? What if some of them actually look forward to a brighter future?

the abortion survivor who i knew personally was never happy to be alive. so there's that.


That's just one person. I know at least two who are glad to be alive.

it is a crap shoot. some may be happy, and others not. maybe even most of them will be happy, but until special programs and dispensations are in place to pay the way for the unwanted children, i don't see a brighter future here. people are reluctant to actually support the babies.


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23 Jan 2013, 6:08 pm

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It's not part of the woman's body. It's inside her body, yes, but it's its own person.

to a woman that wants it gone, it could sometimes be seen as a parasite. not necessarily as a person. you speak in absolutes.


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23 Jan 2013, 6:13 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
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It's not part of the woman's body. It's inside her body, yes, but it's its own person.

to a woman that wants it gone, it could sometimes be seen as a parasite. not necessarily as a person. you speak in absolutes.


Right, but her perception doesn't absolutely negate the right of that parasite.



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23 Jan 2013, 6:18 pm

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It's not part of the woman's body. It's inside her body, yes, but it's its own person.

to a woman that wants it gone, it could sometimes be seen as a parasite. not necessarily as a person. you speak in absolutes.


Right, but her perception doesn't absolutely negate the right of that parasite.


By the same logical argument she should be forbidden from ridding her body of disease?



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23 Jan 2013, 6:20 pm

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Don't take things too personally.

No,its not as if we were talking about human beings here.



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23 Jan 2013, 6:59 pm

MCalavera wrote:
mercifullyfree, have you ever asked those children whether or not they wished they weren't alive? You are looking at it from only one relatively narrow perspective (quite possibly with a feministic agenda). You assume they didn't ask to live, but how do you know that's how each one of them feels? What if some of them actually look forward to a brighter future?


Feministic agenda? There is something wrong with women having equal rights and being considered complete people?


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23 Jan 2013, 8:16 pm

Who_Am_I wrote:
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mercifullyfree, have you ever asked those children whether or not they wished they weren't alive? You are looking at it from only one relatively narrow perspective (quite possibly with a feministic agenda). You assume they didn't ask to live, but how do you know that's how each one of them feels? What if some of them actually look forward to a brighter future?


Feministic agenda? There is something wrong with women having equal rights and being considered complete people?


I only said it's an agenda.



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23 Jan 2013, 8:16 pm

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hyperlexian wrote:
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It's not part of the woman's body. It's inside her body, yes, but it's its own person.

to a woman that wants it gone, it could sometimes be seen as a parasite. not necessarily as a person. you speak in absolutes.


Right, but her perception doesn't absolutely negate the right of that parasite.


By the same logical argument she should be forbidden from ridding her body of disease?


Yep, fetus is now a disease.



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23 Jan 2013, 8:17 pm

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Don't take things too personally.

No,its not as if we were talking about human beings here.


Fetuses are not human beings. They're a disease. You're definitely right.



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23 Jan 2013, 10:27 pm

Whilst I'm all for abortion too, but I still think a "fetus" is close enough to a "baby" that I couldn't call it anything negative in comparison to a child that's just been born or one that's close enough to be; both are parasites if you want to call one such but the other not. I'm technically a parasite to my mother, and I'm running at 31.

Semen ain't anything by itself. Eggs ain't anything either. But get them going together, and something resembling a baby comes from that, then it's as clear cut as I can see it.

It's creation of life.

Do people say it's not because it makes it easier on the people who go through with it? Well, if the pregnancy was unplanned, then said consenting adults (teenagers included) should have taken the proper care to not actually make a baby; calling it not a baby human is a nice way to feel better for yourself, but said fetus will be born into a human -- it's already set in motion. Killing sperm cells isn't going to. The same with eggs. Rape? No worries there as it's unplanned without choice.

Don't have any stake in the politics of this, but fetus turning into a born child is cause and effect. Both are utterly dependent on people to survive too.



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23 Jan 2013, 11:41 pm

MCalavera wrote:
ripped wrote:
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Don't take things too personally.

No,its not as if we were talking about human beings here.


Fetuses are not human beings. They're a disease. You're definitely right.

About time you saw the light of day



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23 Jan 2013, 11:53 pm

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24 Jan 2013, 2:38 am

Most women wouldn't want an aspie baby and would abort them if they knew its an aspie ahead of time they would abort it.


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24 Jan 2013, 3:45 am

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Most women wouldn't want an aspie baby and would abort them if they knew its an aspie ahead of time they would abort it.


I agree with you, and they eventually will figure out how to test for such.

But, that's the law.