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10 Apr 2013, 6:53 pm

Which is not a state funeral...
The cost is being split between the taxpayer and the Thatcher Foundation, with a costs breakdown published after the funeral.


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10 Apr 2013, 6:59 pm

Given the amount of damage she caused to ordinary people's lives it shouldn't receive a bean of public money.

Since she was such a fan of the free market, it is only fitting the event should be paid for by private sponsors. Perhaps line the sides of her coffin with advertising logos of equally unscrupulous and ubiquitous companies that benefited from the culture of apathy and employee acquiescence that she created.


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10 Apr 2013, 7:07 pm

Utter nonsense.
You want so hard to see her corpse being dragged through the streets and a baying mob hacking it to pieces that you're losing sight of why she was PM for so long.
Or I suppose that was only because, being a witch an' all, she cast spells and made it all happen by black magic and no-one really voted. :roll:


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10 Apr 2013, 7:18 pm

Cornflake wrote:
Utter nonsense.
You want so hard to see her corpse being dragged through the streets and a baying mob hacking it to pieces that you're losing sight of why she was PM for so long.
Or I suppose that was only because, being a witch an' all, she cast spells and made it all happen by black magic and no-one really voted. :roll:


It was the Sun 'wot won it. She had the press on her side and a generation of people in South East were on the make at the time. It only mattered if the people that mattered voted for her. Screw everyone else.

I wasn't there and don't remember her third term much, I'll add.


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10 Apr 2013, 7:18 pm

Cornflake wrote:
Utter nonsense.
You want so hard to see her corpse being dragged through the streets and a baying mob hacking it to pieces that you're losing sight of why she was PM for so long.
Or I suppose that was only because, being a witch an' all, she cast spells and made it all happen by black magic and no-one really voted. :roll:


Not at all.

I'm not that base and petty, I just do not want to see this spectacle being subsidised by my hard earned taxes. I would far prefer the ceremony is paid for by her family, her corporate friends or even perhaps the conservative party. NOT the public purse. For the miners and their families, among the millions of others she succeeded in alienating and impoverishing, it serves to do nothing but 'rub their noses in it'.

The hypocrisy is, some of the ones who are shouting 'respect her' are often the ones who were smiling when Hugo Chavez died. Particulary considering none of his policies had anything to do with them or anyone they cared about.


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10 Apr 2013, 7:21 pm

oh, I would also add that most of the people I have spoken to THAT ARE OLD ENOUGH to remember Thatchers Britain are the ones that are saying how awful she was.

The ones complaining about the 'Unions having too much power' and how 'she showed em' are often the ones that are wet behind the ears.


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10 Apr 2013, 7:22 pm

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oh, I would also add that most of the people I have spoken to THAT ARE OLD ENOUGH to remember Thatchers Britain are the ones that are saying how awful she was.

The ones complaining about the 'Unions having too much power' and how 'she showed em' are often the ones that are wet behind the ears.


because of where I live, practically everyone of all ages is denouncing her


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10 Apr 2013, 7:24 pm

thomas81 wrote:
oh, I would also add that most of the people I have spoken to THAT ARE OLD ENOUGH to remember Thatchers Britain are the ones that are saying how awful she was.

The ones complaining about the 'Unions having too much power' and how 'she showed em' are often the ones that are wet behind the ears.


Sonny. I am pushing 80 and I remember how sickly your country was prior to Thatcher. Something had to be done. The Trades Unions had just about run (not so) Great Britain into the ground. You country was a loser without a mazoozer. I am happy I did not have to live under Labour and then the transition to something more sane (all changes like that are painful). Instead I get to live under two terms of the not so bright Dubya and then two terms of Obama who is living proof that the cure is worse than the disease.

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10 Apr 2013, 7:25 pm

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Clement Atlee started Great Britain on its road to (socialist) ruin. He was part of the problem, not part of the solution.

If I recall Atlee and has labourites made the William Blake hymn Jerusalem their theme song. They sought to build Jerusalem on England's green and pleasant land. What they built actually, was economic disaster.

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10 Apr 2013, 7:28 pm

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thomas81 wrote:
oh, I would also add that most of the people I have spoken to THAT ARE OLD ENOUGH to remember Thatchers Britain are the ones that are saying how awful she was.

The ones complaining about the 'Unions having too much power' and how 'she showed em' are often the ones that are wet behind the ears.


because of where I live, practically everyone of all ages is denouncing her


Exactly. Bar a few odd recluse royalists and reactionaries, it is only the toffs of the south east mourning her.

Of course there is a aurora of gloom in northern Ireland but given the abysmal political set up here it goes with the territory. Even some Unionists are'nt that bothered because of her role in the anglo Irish agreement.


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10 Apr 2013, 7:29 pm

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thomas81 wrote:
oh, I would also add that most of the people I have spoken to THAT ARE OLD ENOUGH to remember Thatchers Britain are the ones that are saying how awful she was.

The ones complaining about the 'Unions having too much power' and how 'she showed em' are often the ones that are wet behind the ears.


Sonny. I am pushing 80 and I remember how sickly your country was prior to Thatcher. Something had to be done. The Trades Unions had just about run (not so) Great Britain into the ground. You country was a loser without a mazoozer. I am happy I did not have to live under Labour and then the transition to something more sane (all changes like that are painful). Instead I get to live under two terms of the not so bright Dubya and then two terms of Obama who is living proof that the cure is worse than the disease.

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10 Apr 2013, 7:30 pm

pawelk1986 wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Clement Atlee started Great Britain on its road to (socialist) ruin. He was part of the problem, not part of the solution.

If I recall Atlee and has labourites made the William Blake hymn Jerusalem their theme song. They sought to build Jerusalem on England's green and pleasant land. What they built actually, was economic disaster.

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I see some stains on Margaret Thatcher, honor, she called Nelson Mandela "Grubby little terrorist"


Not as grubby as others. Mandela had his share of blood on his hands. Fortunately he was kept on ice, so he never got to be as bad as he could have been. Mandela was cast as the Suffering Servant and he was just the right man to put into motion some truth and reconciliation. Give the devil his due. He kept the turnaround in South Africa from becoming a race war and a blood bath. Contrast South Africa to Kenya. There was no Mau Mau in South Africa.

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10 Apr 2013, 7:31 pm

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puddingmouse wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
oh, I would also add that most of the people I have spoken to THAT ARE OLD ENOUGH to remember Thatchers Britain are the ones that are saying how awful she was.

The ones complaining about the 'Unions having too much power' and how 'she showed em' are often the ones that are wet behind the ears.


because of where I live, practically everyone of all ages is denouncing her


Exactly. Bar a few odd recluse royalists and reactionaries, it is only the toffs of the south east mourning her.

Of course there is a aurora of gloom in northern Ireland but given the abysmal political set up here it goes with the territory. Even some Unionists are'nt that bothered because of her role in the anglo Irish agreement.


Lots of non-toffs live in the South East. They do tend to be more fond of her down there, no matter what walk of life they come from. My other half is from Essex and he's a bit ambivalent about her, and so is everyone else I personally know from Darn Sarf.


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10 Apr 2013, 7:34 pm

the whole circus is reminiscent of the ending of 'A Christmas Carol' when the ghost of Christmas future is taking Scrooge to see the wake of his death and nobody is mourning his passing.


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10 Apr 2013, 7:44 pm

Look, even in death the rotting old b***h is still at it:

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10 Apr 2013, 11:41 pm

She was a lousy prime minister... the economy did very badly, crime increased substantially... my impression is that she revelled in the fact that people stated their desire to dance on her grave and that was part of her problem... she was extremely lucky to win those terms in office. Her record was appalling. She blundered her way into the Falklands War. There is a conventional wisdom created that said that Thatcher's overall legacy was positive because the neoliberalism of which she was a self-proclaimed high priestess was an inevitability that was going to be carried out by someone and though this neoliberalism was very damaging, it is considered as something inevitable. That New Labour came to terms with much of Thatcherism is seen as proof of her triumph and that her medicine was an inevitability accepted by all. It's like those polls in New Zealand showing that people consider that Rogernomics made New Zealand stronger when the economic statistics show that it created ten years of depression!