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03 Jun 2013, 4:51 pm

[SORRY FOR THE DOUBLE POST]



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03 Jun 2013, 4:57 pm

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Making the porn industry illegal is dangerous. Why? Because it turns it into a black market activity in which there are no regulations or health and safety laws to protect the performers. They wouldn't be able to turn to the police if they are being exploited because they are criminals; they might not even get paid and may even be sex slaves; the people who buy the pornography would be criminalized, even though that puts the performers in even more danger....hm, what does that sound like? Yeah - the current state of prostitution!

It didn't work with prostitution. It didn't work with drugs. Why the f**k would it work with pornography (which i see as a form of prostitution, btw).

Sorry, but these are grown adults. They can make their own decisions about their bodies and if they want to make money from that, they should legally be allowed to do so. If that means that women are "sexually objectified", then so be it. You do not defend women's rights by telling us what we can and cannot do with our bodies. That is misogyny.


I think the porn industry should be legal, it's just that its current practices don't sit well with me ethically. That's why I try to watch just amateur porn,


Sorry, how does amateur make it better? If it's a major studio, they have a lot more incentive to keep things ethically and legally sound. I mean, they don't wanna get sued, right? And they'll probably have loads more witnesses to any illegal action, so wouldn't it be dumb to break the law? I mean, most porn performers have to sign forms stating that they have consented to do the part before any filming takes place.

Amateur porn is just that - made by amateurs, so how do you know it's more ethical than professional pornography?

Also I see you support Shelley Lubben.

I think this video might change your mind:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhIrHExoXsM[/youtube]



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03 Jun 2013, 4:58 pm

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Do you think the industry would improve if more women took over the role of pornographers?


Kink.com is a good example of what you might be thinking of. The CEO is a British man, but a lot of the producers of the pornography there are women.



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03 Jun 2013, 5:16 pm

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Do you think the industry would improve if more women took over the role of pornographers?


Maybe a little but not enough. Take prostitution for example, a lot of brothel owners are women but a lot of them are exploitative. I think it's an unavoidable aspect of sex being a commodity on a capitalist market - workers will be abused under such a system. Where there's money to be made, people of either sex will be abusive.


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03 Jun 2013, 5:19 pm

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I wish my significant other was a porn fan :(

Mr puddingmouse is a very lucky man.


There's no Mr puddingmouse at the moment. We broke up. Hence the porn.


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03 Jun 2013, 5:25 pm

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Making the porn industry illegal is dangerous. Why? Because it turns it into a black market activity in which there are no regulations or health and safety laws to protect the performers. They wouldn't be able to turn to the police if they are being exploited because they are criminals; they might not even get paid and may even be sex slaves; the people who buy the pornography would be criminalized, even though that puts the performers in even more danger....hm, what does that sound like? Yeah - the current state of prostitution!

It didn't work with prostitution. It didn't work with drugs. Why the f**k would it work with pornography (which i see as a form of prostitution, btw).

Sorry, but these are grown adults. They can make their own decisions about their bodies and if they want to make money from that, they should legally be allowed to do so. If that means that women are "sexually objectified", then so be it. You do not defend women's rights by telling us what we can and cannot do with our bodies. That is misogyny.


I think the porn industry should be legal, it's just that its current practices don't sit well with me ethically. That's why I try to watch just amateur porn,


Sorry, how does amateur make it better? If it's a major studio, they have a lot more incentive to keep things ethically and legally sound. I mean, they don't wanna get sued, right? And they'll probably have loads more witnesses to any illegal action, so wouldn't it be dumb to break the law? I mean, most porn performers have to sign forms stating that they have consented to do the part before any filming takes place.

Amateur porn is just that - made by amateurs, so how do you know it's more ethical than professional pornography?

Also I see you support Shelley Lubben.

I think this video might change your mind:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhIrHExoXsM[/youtube]


From having watched amateur porn I would say that the pleasurable reactions seem more real and you can get websites where couples upload the stuff themselves. I see a lot more focus on actual physical pleasure in amateur but that's just my experience. I'm sure there's some horrible amateur stuff exists out there but the porn industry is routinely abusive, rather than just occasionally.

Amateurs aren't doing it for money, so they have less incentive to be abusive to make a quick buck (though that's not to say that abuse never happens, it just isn't institutionalised). I find the association of money and sex really distasteful and unsexy, anyway. I think sex should be strictly play and never work.

I don't support Shelley Lubben, I just empathise with her.


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03 Jun 2013, 5:28 pm

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you're the exact opposite of a cute innocent mouse :roll:


I'm cute but not exactly innocent. I never claimed to be innocent.


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03 Jun 2013, 5:32 pm

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you're the exact opposite of a cute innocent mouse :roll:


I'm cute but not exactly innocent. I never claimed to be innocent.


Mice are innocent, so you're obviously not one despite your username/avatar to the contrary.



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03 Jun 2013, 5:33 pm

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you're the exact opposite of a cute innocent mouse :roll:


I'm cute but not exactly innocent. I never claimed to be innocent.


Mice are innocent, so you're obviously not one despite your username/avatar to the contrary.


Mice are innocent how?


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03 Jun 2013, 5:35 pm

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you're the exact opposite of a cute innocent mouse :roll:


I'm cute but not exactly innocent. I never claimed to be innocent.


Mice are innocent, so you're obviously not one despite your username/avatar to the contrary.


Mice are innocent how?


They're cute animals like seals.



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03 Jun 2013, 5:36 pm

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Amateurs aren't doing it for money, so they have less incentive to be abusive to make a quick buck (though that's not to say that abuse never happens, it just isn't institutionalised)


I don't know - a lot of the amateur porn that comes from developing countries often looks not particularly consensual.

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I don't support Shelley Lubben, I just empathise with her.


If that video above is anything to go by, she's a nasty Christian headbanger, a liar and a user.



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03 Jun 2013, 5:37 pm

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They're cute animals like seals.


And we all know what happens to them.



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03 Jun 2013, 5:37 pm

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From having watched amateur porn I would say that the pleasurable reactions seem more real and you can get websites where couples upload the stuff themselves. I see a lot more focus on actual physical pleasure in amateur but that's just my experience.


That makes sense considering that professionals have to act the part while amateurs are often just couples who film themselves while having sex.



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03 Jun 2013, 5:40 pm

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They're cute animals like seals.


And we all know what happens to them.


They die after seeing somebody walk by that watches porn.



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03 Jun 2013, 5:42 pm

Tequila wrote:
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Amateurs aren't doing it for money, so they have less incentive to be abusive to make a quick buck (though that's not to say that abuse never happens, it just isn't institutionalised)


I don't know - a lot of the amateur porn that comes from developing countries often looks not particularly consensual.

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I don't support Shelley Lubben, I just empathise with her.


If that video above is anything to go by, she's a nasty Christian headbanger, a liar and a user.


You're right about porn from the third world. Something else I try to avoid (thankfully, they usually say stuff like 'from Mexico' or 'Russian' in the title - so you know not to click.)

Shelley Lubben might be a Christian, but she's clearly a woman who's been through a lot of pain and doesn't want to see other people go through the same thing. I just chuck away the references to God and I see someone with a valid ethical point to make.


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03 Jun 2013, 5:45 pm

Venger wrote:
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@puddingmouse

you're the exact opposite of a cute innocent mouse :roll:


I'm cute but not exactly innocent. I never claimed to be innocent.


Mice are innocent, so you're obviously not one despite your username/avatar to the contrary.


Mice are innocent how?


They're cute animals like seals.


Mice often eat their own babies and commit incest a lot. They also pee and poo everywhere. Obviously, I'm not claiming to be exactly like a mouse - it's just a username and an avatar.


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