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19 Jan 2014, 11:58 am

And, for those who prefer Bible passages over science, I present conclusive evidence that primitive humans were promiscuous:

Genesis 6 wrote:

When men began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were fair; and they took to wife such of them as they chose....The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.

Even the sons of God noticed that the humans were having themselves a great time. They couldn't resist joining the fun--they wanted to cum into our woman-folk, too.

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19 Jan 2014, 8:47 pm

There's a book called "Angel Wars."

It's full of documentation that's been scrubbed from most anthropology journals proving men were well over 10 foot tall with impressive abilities. These tribes of men seem to uphold the idea that primitive man interbred with a different species.

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19 Jan 2014, 9:13 pm

Maybe orangutans?

http://www.vice.com/read/yo1-v14n10

Okay, even I have to draw the line there. I disapprove of orangutans working as prostitutes.

Plus, she was only 6-7 years old. Well below the age of consent.

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19 Jan 2014, 9:29 pm

There are two legal prostitute houses in my town. I'm not sure if it's legal over all of Australia, or if it's a state thing.

As far as I'm concerned, I think it's between consenting adults.

I don't agree at all about making illegal.
And I'm hostile toward sesure of property by the law or government of any property for any reason. (Children excepted in rare circumstances).

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20 Jan 2014, 12:49 pm

I would say it could be legalized, as long as there wasn't a brothel in my neighborhood and strange men coming through at all hours. It would probably have to be regulated to make sure there was no diseases being spread and the girls were not being abused.

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21 Jan 2014, 11:35 am

zer0netgain wrote:

As the joke goes, you don't pay a woman for sex.

You pay her to go away afterwards and not expect you to call her.

Really, unless a woman goes out to find a partner and initiate sex without expecting him to do anything to first "win" the prize, in one way or another, a man winds up "paying" for sex either in gifts, entertainment, etc. because he is expected to win her over from a "no" or "maybe" to a "yes."

Another quote that might amuse you:

Tony Crossley wrote:

A woman who thinks men only want her for one thing is dumb. A woman who knows that men only want her for one thing, and who makes them pay handsomely for it, is really smart.

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21 Jan 2014, 9:21 pm

wowiexist wrote:

In Australia they "must" be housed in an industrial estate. This eliminates complaints from businesses and houses. I thought it was a strange policy when it was first proposed, but it's worked well in my opinion.
And the girls are checked by doctor on a regular basis, just like restaurants are checked by health officials on a regular basis. It's meant to be safe for everybody.

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24 Jan 2014, 12:01 am

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24 Jan 2014, 9:45 pm

I sometimes think it's based on a notion that if guys can be free to not marry and just hit anything for a little $$ that they'll never grow up, never become men, never become dads, add organized religious dimensions to that and we also go to hell. So, for our protection and for our own good (and for the sake of the institution of marriage) it was probably outlawed.

Being that we're in a spot where half the people out there just aren't getting married anymore and where women don't need men to support themselves - a lot of the reasoning is going out the window. To add to that while certain women cite prostitution leads to black-market sex-slave trade and sex tourism we can also add that capitalism leads to sweatshops of similarly deplorable conditions.

I think the wisest thing we can do as a culture is finally get it - ie. sex is not the be all end all, it's not something for either sex to control the other with, nor is it something that grown adults need to have the mechanics of sheltered by law (aside from the dignity/autonomy for one's own body as one chooses). Stigma seems to artificially inflate the value of a thing all the while making a culture more than a little schizophrenic toward the thing in question, with the stigma popped I somewhat wonder what kinds of changes would take place just in the social sphere. I do think 1099'ing them, having them on the record for medical exams, have some kind of screening to keep STD's out (meaning keeping them safe from would-be clients who wouldn't delcare it) seems like a must.

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24 Jan 2014, 10:22 pm

Why shouldn't it be? It's disgusting, it sends women back to the Middle Ages and the fact that some guy has to pay someone to sleep with him is just pathetic. Oh, I can sort of understand how "easy" it is to be a hooker, since you don't need an education or be intelligent or have any talent or skill. It makes my blood boil just thinking about it.

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01 Feb 2014, 8:37 am

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01 Feb 2014, 8:46 am

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/01/opini ... 40201&_r=0

Kate Mogulescu wrote:

TENS of thousands of people have descended upon the New York-New Jersey metropolitan area this week for tomorrow’s Super Bowl, accompanied by the usual media frenzy. A now familiar feature of this coverage, wherever the Super Bowl is held, is an abundance of stories, from Reuters to CNN, reporting that the event will cause a surge in sex trafficking to capitalize on the influx of fans and tourists.

Representative Christopher H. Smith, Republican of New Jersey and co-chairman of the House anti-human trafficking caucus, and Gov. Chris Christie announced a law enforcement crackdown. Cindy McCain, in advance of next year’s Super Bowl in Arizona, flew in to stand at Mr. Christie’s side, declaring that the Super Bowl is “the largest human-trafficking event on the planet.”

The problem is that there is no substantiation of these claims. The rhetoric turns out to be just that.

No data actually support the notion that increased sex trafficking accompanies the Super Bowl. The Global Alliance Against Traffic in Women, a network of nongovernmental organizations, published a report in 2011 examining the record on sex trafficking related to World Cup soccer games, the Olympics and the Super Bowl. It found that, “despite massive media attention, law enforcement measures and efforts by prostitution abolitionist groups, there is no empirical evidence that trafficking for prostitution increases around large sporting events.”

Even with this lack of evidence, the myth has taken hold through sheer force of repetition, playing on desires to rescue trafficking victims and appear tough on crime. Whether the game is in Dallas, Indianapolis or New Orleans, the pattern is the same: Each Super Bowl host state forms a trafficking task force to “respond” to the issue; the task force issues a foreboding statement; the National Football League pledges to work with local law enforcement to address trafficking; and news conference after news conference is held. The actual number of traffickers investigated or prosecuted hovers around zero.

The Super Bowl sex-trafficking hype isn’t just unfounded, though — it is actively harmful because it creates bad policy. In the days leading up to Sunday’s game, local law enforcement dedicated tremendous resources to targeting everyone engaged in prostitution.

As the supervising attorney of a project at the Legal Aid Society that represents nearly all of the people arrested on prostitution charges throughout New York City, I know firsthand the devastating consequences that aggressive arrest practices can have for both trafficked and nontrafficked people engaging in prostitution. Many, but not all, of our clients are, in fact, trafficked, and many more have survived an extensive amount of brutality, violence and trauma. Turning them into defendants and pushing them through the criminal justice system contradicts any claim of assistance.

This week’s Super Bowl-related operation has required officers to be pulled from their regular details to serve on prostitution arrest squads. The New York Police Department said it had made 298 prostitution-related arrests through Jan. 26. In Manhattan — a borough that has approximately 300 arrests for prostitution a year — there have been more than 100 arrests in the past several days. When Midtown Community Court opened on Wednesday morning, 25 women arrested on Tuesday night were sitting in holding cells waiting to be arraigned after a sting operation at the Marriott Marquis hotel in Midtown.

The New York State attorney general’s office announced another prostitution-ring bust at a Manhattan apartment building on Thursday morning. Although that investigation had been going on for 11 months, officials waited until this week to make the arrests and announcement. This was ostensibly to raise awareness of sex trafficking before the Super Bowl — even though there were no actual allegations of trafficking reported in the case.

These arrests are not indications of an increase in prostitution activity, but rather of an increase in policing. This has left the criminal courts scrambling to handle the additional cases, adding a significant strain to an already overburdened criminal justice system. Those arrested face jail, potential deportation, warrants for failure to appear and lifelong criminal records.

Human trafficking cannot be addressed by prosecuting victims in a criminal court. If, indeed, the goal is to address human trafficking, why is law enforcement targeting those believed to be victims?

When the discussion is dominated by fear-mongering, we fail to meaningfully address the actual causes of human trafficking. The annual oversimplification of the issue, in which we conflate all prostitution with trafficking, and then imply that arrest equals solution, does a disservice to year-round efforts to genuinely assist survivors of trafficking — with emergency housing, medical care and other crucial services.

Remove the guise of “preventing” human trafficking, and we are left with a cautionary tale of how efforts to clean up the town for a media event rely on criminalizing people, with long-lasting implications for those who are then trapped in the criminal justice system. If we continue to perpetuate fallacies like the Super Bowl sex-trafficking phenomenon, we will continue to perpetuate the harm caused by prostitution arrests in the name of helping victims.

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01 Feb 2014, 9:24 am

lostonearth35 wrote:

Deeming another person's sexuality to be icky is not really a reason to make it illegal.

There are plenty of legal jobs that don't need an education, intelligence, talent or skill.

However, intelligence, talent and skill would certainly be helpful in this particular profession. I think that most customers would consider the executive ejaculatory administrator's talent and skill to be quite handy. If she isn't good at what she does, then she won't get a lot of repeat customers, and might as well seek a different form of employment.

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01 Feb 2014, 10:54 am

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lostonearth35 wrote:

And it's also the height of 'ignorance'..to suggest that the type of intelligence measured on IQ tests is all there is to intelligence..

It takes a great deal of sensual and physical intelligence..to be really good at sex..

The kind of intelligence that IQ tests cannot possibly measure..as prepared as such now...

Physical intelligence is highly underrated..in a modern culture..where eyes fixated a few feet from a lit up screen..with relatively no movement is a standard now..at school..at work..and oh my GOD even at play..

Common sense dictates..that humans who are evolved to move..hunt..gather..and survive..and yes have sex....

Must move..almost constantly..to even friggin be a human being..and successful at IT...

Close to a quarter of young folks these days are on some type of antidepressant..

And close to two thirds of teenagers..are pre-diabetes two material...

Well..if they were not 'stupid' in the ways of physical and yes at times..existential intelligence..

They could have what most all children had when i was growing..up..

Happiness.. the simple happiness that comes..from moving ..moving..and really getting good at all types of movement..

And connecting to real flesh and blood human beings..

Ya don't have to be non-autistic to do that..

And while it can get a little disheartening being the last kid picked in team sports..as there is too much
going on at one time..to keep focused...

Many autistic folks excel at individual physical movement sports..like racquetball..tennis..running..martial arts..

And YES OH MY GOD! SEX..

WITH ALL THAT HYPER SENSORY .. EMOTIONAL CONTAGION..PRICKLY .. HORNY STUFF..

IT MOST DEFINITELY DOES APPLY TO

SOME AUTISTIC FOLKS

at least like me..and some others i know..in real life..2....

ALL OF US AUTISTIC FOLKS DON'T THINK ITS' ICKY AT ALL...
BUT I'M A FREE ARTIST in sex too..nothing..conventional in life for me..
i ain't gonna walk the sidewalks of sex either...;)

AND yah..i would f** women for money..if thats what it took to make a living...
to eat and all of that...
in the years of my sexual prowess..PER MY own selection...
i would be happy to make 'em happy..in THAT WAY..
but that's how unconditional love works..
for the folks that are the best prostitutes of all....
The one's that enjoy the pleasure of others..
even more than their
own.

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01 Feb 2014, 11:56 am

ArrantPariah wrote:

I'm guessing that, for our hunter-gatherer ancestors, who were naturally promiscuous, rape was not considered any sort of crime.

And this is based on what, exactly?

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I've observed orangutans in a zoo. If a male orangutan wants some, then he just grabs the nearest female and goes to it. No ascertaining whether she wants it, too. No foreplay. She just lies down and waits for him to finish. And, he kept at it for a good 10-15 minutes.

I hope this isn't what you're basing it on. This is a naturalistic fallacy at the very basis which is retard-mode logic, as you may be aware. For that matter, the behaviors of orangutans, while primates, cannot necessarily be translated to human nature.

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But, it does seem that, for our species, rape wasn't a big deal until it became a property crime some 3000 years ago. And, rapes still are especially common in warfare.

Based on bible verses and orangutans. Brilliant, old man. Perhaps you should stick to perving on Thai hookers, anthropology clearly isn't your bag.

PS: Testicle size tends to be strongly correlated to promiscuity all throughout the animal kingdom from fish to primates. Humans have bigger balls than the harem-based gorillas, and smaller balls than the orgy-fuckfest bonobos, sitting about half-way in fact. Clearly humans have used both strategies in the past.

Onto the topic at hand, prostitution should be legalized. Keep it illegal, and it's gonna happen anyway, the only difference being that it'll be more dangerous to the hookers and Johns without regulations, and plant money firmly into the hands of criminals. See alcohol prohibition in the States.

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01 Feb 2014, 3:30 pm

Shau wrote:

ArrantPariah wrote:

I'm guessing that, for our hunter-gatherer ancestors, who were naturally promiscuous, rape was not considered any sort of crime.

And this is based on what, exactly?

It was based on this video that I posted elsewhere:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ_fHrCQOGY[/youtube]

Briefly, among gregarious non-human primates where multiple males and females live together in the same group, none practice monogamy. And, the interviewee mentions that human hunter-gatherer tribes are promiscuous. If you can bang any tribe member you want, and if no one tribe member has exclusive sexual rights over another tribe member, then acts that came to be recognized as sex crimes (viz. rape and adultery) with the advent of agriculture would have had no meaning.

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But, it does seem that, for our species, rape wasn't a big deal until it became a property crime some 3000 years ago. And, rapes still are especially common in warfare.

Based on bible verses and orangutans. Brilliant, old man. Perhaps you should stick to perving on Thai hookers, anthropology clearly isn't your bag.

I wasn't planning on boning orangutans or Sunday-school teachers, but neither have I had the honor of meeting any hunter-gatherer folk.

Shau wrote:

PS: Testicle size tends to be strongly correlated to promiscuity all throughout the animal kingdom from fish to primates. Humans have bigger balls than the harem-based gorillas, and smaller balls than the orgy-f**** bonobos, sitting about half-way in fact. Clearly humans have used both strategies in the past.

Both harems AND promiscuity? I suspect that the keeping of personal harems evolved with agriculture.

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