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Tallyman, I'm not sure if you know or not, but Autism is a challenge of reciprocal social communication.

Dumping a monologue no matter what the topic is and not participating in the conversation is a textbook description of Autism.

It happens here in non-religious topics as well, if you haven't noticed, all the time.

I notice stuff like that; as a detail oriented photographic memory type of person.

Not posting or responding at all and just reading what other folks write is also a textbook description of Autism.

This is Autism.

Plain and simple for those who understand what the textbook definition of Autism is.

And not understanding intent of other people is also Autism.

I mean no disrespect to you here. I am just trying to bridge understanding.

It might help if Alex could recruit some neurotypical moderators; but I do know how hard that can and will likely be, so I have cognitive empathy for that too.

And no, considering the administrative environment here, I do not blame you if you don't give a f**.

Note: two asterisks not three. ;)

I do not think you are intentionally being mean to folks. But seriously, whether you realize or not, on a cognitive empathy level.

You are. Seriously, you are.

That's my opinion, but I'm certainly far from the only one that holds it here, yes here.

I'm just not afraid to express it, as you hold no power over me, other than your threats to ban me, if I do not conform to your expectations of me, per going on with my rambling way of monologues; that is also inherently autistic as well, per my hyperlexic form of Autism.

And that is no power at all as I am only here to attempt to bridge understanding and help folks.

There are plenty of other places I can spend my time doing that, as well; if you cannot handle on a personal emotional level what I feel is a relative objective scientific truth, too.

That yes, I do provide documented evidence for too. And can certainly provide much more, on request, if you like.

That could be modified and improved, but that's all up to you, at least in part, as moderator.

This is a place for all autistic people; I can only hope, If folks understand how diverse a spectrum it truly is.

Sincerely and respectfully, me; in hopes of providing a bridge of better understanding aka Cognitive Empathy.

I see god as good, the devil as evil. A simple understanding in my head. Of course god being a higher power, because it can realate to everything. Things cannot be all bad. Being good is also practicle in a sence that you have to have all of your feelings in order to be that way. Evil people are generally missing something.

You haven't actually defined 'good' or 'evil' anywhere in your post.

If god is 'good', then genocide is a 'good' act. Similarly murder, rape, slavery et al are 'good'.

The devil's 'crime' was disagreeing with how god went about his business. Seems like a reasonable stance to take in my view.

If you take a look at the bible verses I've listed on page 3 of this thread:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postxf266352-0-30.html
It is pretty easy to think God and the Devil are one and the same being because the god of the bible is one vicious evil motherf****r. Take a look at those verses and try telling me he is "good".

Not he. It. I'm not going to argue right or wrong, or recite verses in the bible. I'm not going to imagine in some misconstrued part of my mind that rape is good either. I belive I know what it is. I believe I know the difference. I can be wrong too. I will allow it. I don't need to describe it to anyone either. Either you get it, or you don't. It is like a memory scribed in my mind. My theory, my idea. Made for me, by me.

Remarkable, yes; interesting, most definitely to me; coincidence, absolutely not, as some type of structured belief to guide the tribe is consistent across tribes since recorded history. Languages are different and people do become attached to their native language and religion is simply an extension of language for greater metaphors to understand human nature and be successful in life.

Human archetypes once thought to be an antiquated way of psychological science per the work of Freud and Jung are gaining ground again in science.

Interestingly, the broader autism phenotype and the relationship of difficulty with language and emotion per Alexithymia may be the source of much religion, per difficulties in understanding complex emotions, and providing external symbols to better understand and express complex and powerful human emotions.

The Gods of Greece and Rome, invented by intellectuals were symbols of human emotions, the struggles, and love that are part of the full human condition, of course with wisdom, dance, song, and poetry true per the GOD of Apollo, for example.

Stories of heroes have always been motivators for the human emotion of hope.

The lists goes on, but the highest power of emotion known as love, yes, fearless love, can be the most difficult emotion of all to understand or feel for some folks in life.

No, school doesn't teach young folks about being human, per the philosophy of life; that comes as a potential elective in college, instead.

But the great thing about philosophy is it exposes folks do different ideas about the human condition from culture to culture.

The consistent belief across cultures is the golden rule championed by the historical man Jesus, Buddha, and Muhammad too.

And of course there are tribal archetypes ingrained in our mind for war too; and that's where the not so nice stuff comes in, in so-called sacred text too.

But really the core of all religion is to give folks some guidelines to live the best life possible, mixed in with the frailty of human ignorance as well.

One of the greatest things about the Internet, is it allows us to understand the beliefs and cognitive processes of folks around the world, much better than what we hear of second hand on the news.

The truth is we have much more in common, than in differences, as after all, we all share basically the same genetic material; it is mostly differences in the languages of culture and yes, religion, too that bring about the differences that cause conflicts.

But just complaining about it in a condescending way as Dawkins does here, is more or less Mental Masturbation, producing no effective change at all.

Potential change will come from dissension and positive constructive understanding of the similarities that most always revolve around the Golden rule in most religions.

Love others as you love yourself.

But for folks that don't like themselves, it's almost impossible to get to step two.

This is why the new wave of selfies is so important to potential greater world peace.

Believe it or not; it's just human nature; people who are happy with self are generally happy with other folks, and at least can tolerate and accept the differences that do result from culture and religion, among other folks. I see that everywhere I go, online and off. And of course it's a common refrain heard in the world of philosophy too as well as the science of psychology too.

There is a narcissism scale with the high end including lack of empathy and intentionally harming other folks.

And then there is a low end of timid soul; which often results in a person who is not successful in life.

The middle balance or way, to paraphrase Buddha; moderation to paraphrase old texts of new version bible is the common well-traveled and successful way that works.

That's what religion is all about, finding out what works in life.

It's not always correct, but there's still plenty of time to make it better.

My religion is dance, song, and love.

The real man Jesus is not substantially different than John Lennon in true effect; neither believed in the necessity of marriage and both believed that heaven is now, not some fairy tale after life, invented later, as a way to control the masses in a poverty of life now, instead of telling them that now is all there is.

Well, now we have the information age; and for folks who truly have love and altruism for the rest of the human species; each person can make a real contribution to make a change that can and will eventually change the world.

After all, even a butterfly can make a difference; it's all connected in the interdependent relationship of all things. Making it work is often love aka as the four-letter word GOD.

And yes, Dawkins is recently quoted as suggested the abortion of Down's babies is a morally correct thing to do, per their potential contribution to society.

This reminds me of John Nash and his game theory; later he admitted that it was incorrect, as he did not have the emotional intelligence to understand the love factor in human relationships.

Obviously, Dawkins doesn't realize the power of love in what happy well loved Down's children can bring to the rest of their family and folks they interact with in society too.

And obviously, Dawkins does not realize the real power of fearless love, that yes does change the world that most religions do include and get correct, but no, sadly, not all.

But a person, reasonably, considering the true power of fearless unconditional sacred love, cannot throw that baby of love aka GOD out with the dirty so called sacred water, and expect to get a good result in society.

Otherwise you have folks suggesting that children who love others and aren't intellectually smart, don't deserve to live.

That's not the world I want to live in. No, I do not want to live in the world of Mr. Dawkins. Sadly, many folks do, including folks who attend religious services on a regular basis.

It's love that counts; yes the four letter word; not the three letter one called GOD that's been twisted in some circles to mean the other four letter word HATE, in harming others.

Yes, harming others with selfish intent is the way of the symbol for the real devil of human archetype; GOD IS ALL; Love is a way for a successful human species.

It's in our genes; a gene called the empathy gene that the free loving, hippy like Bonobo of the early 60's to use that phrase as metaphor, shares with us.

The chimpanzee does not have it; the chimpanzee pillages and rapes.

It appears that some folks genetic inclination for empathy is either mutated out or environmentally shut down through the potential negative impact of epigenetics and neuroplasticity during the course of just one life time; abused by parents or bullies, etc. as potential causal factors. But whatever the actual biological mechanism, it's fully documented that it happens all the time among members of the human species.

Love will help; but hate will just make it worse.

That's just common sense, in my estimation.

My Catholic church calls GOD Love, and only demands people love themselves and love others the same as well as the whole thing called GOD, from the pulpit, not the structured stuff of past.

But I've a got a smart priest, and old tennis buddy of mine from school, at the top of his class then, who still does his homework for the GOD of nature and Love now; the same one that Jesus talked about before the early Roman Catholic church and Constantine and friends turned love into hate, per the uncovered texts translated into English shortly before 1960.

Love is truth; Love is God; there is no doubt about that, at least, in my opinion.

But no, given culture and some religions it's not guaranteed at all.

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Aghogday, sounds to me like you have more in common with Thomas, than the other so called disciples. Have you looked into the gospel attributed to him? Thomas

Yes, Dent Arthur Dent, I have and actually provided the link to the actual text earlier in the discussion, as linked here again:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/thomas.htm

The chances of any written text coming close to what the actual man Yeshua said in his life, is not likely. In oral tradition around a table the story can change in less than thirty minutes. But, at least the text is based on oral tradition as early as any other reported version and much more trustworthy to me, than an early religious council of power brokers, not unlike a corporate boardroom, which does reflect the inner workings of the Catholic Church for centuries. There is a great deal of improvement now, but still a long way to go, before human nature is reflected in the Catholic Church official teachings.

What I see in the gospel of Thomas is a great deal of metaphorical truth, regardless of who originated the text. The saying of as above so below, certainly rings true in science now, as we see the patterns of nature in the golden mean spiral of 1.618 from galaxies down to the Quantum physics level.

But of course those patterned elements were in nature then too, for those who had the time on their hands to observe and note the similarities.

Additionally the focus in the Gospel of Thomas is that of living now, per greater human potential.

Modern Christianity is about a fairy tale, with reality as not the real story; yes, a good way to gain control over the masses promising heaven after death, and promoting poverty in life, but no way to live life in the heaven of now, as reflected in the Gospel of Thomas.

Also, the similarities of these metaphorical teachings are very much like the traditional way of the Yogi, in looking totally within the human being to exert will and control and mastery over one's bodily functions down to control of body temperature, emotions, and basically bliss by controlling neurochemicals and neurohormones through the nuances of will. Sorry, but the English language does not have effective words for describing these abilities, that yes I have gained myself in this life now, and documented along the way. Describing how to do it, is a much harder task that I continue to attempt to do, but am a long way from being successful in relating this to folks who do not have these abilities, as before I had no ability to regulate my emotions, my body temperature, my neurochemicals and neurohormones, or strength of fearless will, or even physical tension.

I think the reason for that is obvious. I spent a life in academic pursuits stuck in my head, instead of pursuing human potential from within.

I escaped culture, and found my human potential, a much greater reward than any possible materialistic reward as it all starts and ends with what we will and believe in life, and what we value in life.

We are in control, we can be in control, but many folks are not in control with will in their lives; culture runs it instead of human will.

The matrix analogy is similar to the Yogi way and Gospel of Thomas too. These metaphors ring similarly true in many world-wide philosophies not tainted by folks who want to gain control over others by making them weak through fear, repression, and oppression of their human nature.

And finally my favorite verse is verse 37 found in the older limited version and the longer version translated in English in 1959.

Believe in yourself, and find your human potential that is above so below, inside and outside of what is reality now.

This is not much different from the philosophy of Aleister Crowley, John Lennon, or Thomas Jefferson; or the way of Luciferianism other than the mythical belief of a fallen angel.

The world would be a different place if Thomas 37 took the place of John 3:16, but obviously that would have totally contradicted the needs of power of the Roman Empire and what was the early Catholic Church then.

But with the worldwide selfie craze and smart phones; that reality is coming true; Thomas 37 or no Thomas 37.

The truth is hard to hide, when freedom of expression rings true.

I'll live with truth, and let the others believe in lies if they want to, but I'll do my best to tactfully show them some light, in the way of knowledge that makes sense with evolved human nature.

The science of human being is most definitely my all-encompassing special interest at this time, and my evidence of human potential is mounting day by day.

Simply I do this, and truly I do it, as I do not let anyone hold me back, and I have that ability per the freedoms that the United States offers for those individuals willing to exercise those freedoms.

Yes, I am patriotic too, as an advocate for the GOD of nature and country too.

Some scholars say the Gospel of Thomas was actually written earlier than the Gospel of Mark. The Gospel of Thomas is kind of strange, but I think it is important for that reason. It is probably more authentic than some of the other non-canonical books written later.

Pritty sure there is more interesting stuff than that before writings could be written. It is literally carved in stone. Not as words. But statues that tell a tale. The oldest language. Now just an ancient riddle that cannot be told. A forgotten truth. Left with table scraps. Picking up pieces, when it should be unlearned, and re-invented. Re-made. Those ancient texts were not the beginning. It was the end. People who cannot see, or understand, do not want others to have what they cannot. This is war. The truth was destroyed. A fairy tale is all your going to get. Or the alternative. There is nothing there. Majority wins. And yes yes. Love has everything to do with it. These things do not work without it. Unfortunately not everyone possesses this behavior either. The biggest thorn.

Yes, in the Renaissance time of great artistic and science achievement, it was often said that sculpture of the human form, in all its glory retains and relates more information than words will ever deliver.

And now of course science finally catches up, with the understanding that 60 to 93 percent of all of human social communication is non-verbal instead of verbal. So much of a disability when folks lack this ability, that there is a disorder named autism spectrum disorder where one of the requirements to meet this challenge is adversity in either delivering or receiving non-verbal communication.

For people with these non-verbal disabilities in communication, the sculptures likely mean very little; whereas to the visually thinking person, they could mean more than a thousand nuanced emotions and feelings, as well as visual and patterned ways of symbolically interpreting the world around them.

Brings a whole new interpretation to the chosen ones of mother nature. It's not fair. It is what it is.

And increasingly we as a nation, in western ways and eastern ways now too, of doing things, live in a text world far removed from all of reality, only exacerbating the issues that already exist, where nature aka GOD is not fair. The great thing though, is through the process of epigenetics and neuroplasticity, change is indeed and in deed possible, but not when one does the same things over and over, per Einstein's described philosophy of insanity.

Adapt to adversity and change, or stay still and stale, pretty much sums it up to me. Still and stale is often an anxious and depressing way to be and go, anywhere in life, in my best estimation, which reminds me after writing close to 6 thousand words on this site in the last 24 hours, time to move on to something different for a while; like martial arts, dance, and song, and other so called ancient ways of truly finding balance, peace, bliss, and happiness like connecting to flesh and blood folks in real life too.. :) If I can just get over this upper respiratory virus that slowed me down enough to bring me here, in the last 24 hours, I'll be on my way, to full freedom, peace, bliss, and overall thriving happiness moreover now, again. :) Moving 'baby'; once again; adapting and striving to go on stronger than ever before. It's a state of mind put into action now; not an expectation or limitation, so prevalent as our overall cultural way today.

No. I respect people, but I don't have to respect beliefs.

From your link to Wikipedia:











You provided no scientific evidence, only philosophical argument.



The vast majority of people who say this kind of thing are not scientists, but people trying to play the persecuted minority game. Science isn't supposed to prove god doesn't exist any more than it is supposed to prove that smurfs do not exist.



And leaving off the very next sentence that began with "however" (see above), which is why you stand as a quote mining individual who quotes out of context. You repeatedly quoted Hawking out of context, despite the fact that he does not believe that anyone or anything made the universe for us. Some of your quotes only used part of what he was saying, and some you took out of context that were meant to be pointing out absurdity.



Again, you provided no scientific evidence to support the existence of god. "Good science" is science that relies on hard observable data in repeated tests by different people, but if I remember correctly, you don't believe math exists outside of the human imagination so I guess philosophy counts as science.

If the universe were fine tuned for life, why is the vast overwhelming majoity completely inhospitable to it? And as for life developing against astronomical odds, consider the vast virtually infinite of space-time. Even with a statistical improbably of centillions to one you would end up with plenty of life in the vast immensity of just this universe (even if you assume this is the only universe that exists).

If you want to believe in god or a higher power, go right ahead. It only bothers me when you try to justify it by "proving" things that have not and cannot be proven, especially when you try to use quotes from people who have emphatically argued against your belief on the matter.

Science does show that some definitions of God are false beyond a reasonable doubt. Like the Christian/ Jewish/ Islamic God.

We can have a debate on fine-tuning. I think it's not a valid argument based on my reading of the late physicist Victor Stenger who points out it's fallacies. So, one can have valid scientific reasons for rejecting the fine-tuning argument. It's intellectually dishonest to apply the "no true Scotsman" fallacy to science in this case.

If you do not respect peoples beliefs, than how are you respecting the person? I'm confused?