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22 Mar 2015, 9:54 pm

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Agreed - people who say to entirely dismantle it, are extremely short-sighted.

and more often than not, unconcerned about who it hurts, as well.


True but I think most people see a difference between "disability" and "Welfare".



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22 Mar 2015, 9:54 pm

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So given that 'we can't spend money to help the public and help people to enrich their lives because we would rather spend a disportionate amount on the military equipment(because remember most people in the military get paid kinda sh*tty given the risk of the job and physical/mental damage it can cause)' coming from the government does not seem very liberal of them. lol

IMHO, if you look in the dictionary next to "America 2015" you will find the following definition:
"an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization."



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22 Mar 2015, 9:56 pm

Canadian1911 wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Canadian1911 wrote:
Agreed - people who say to entirely dismantle it, are extremely short-sighted.

and more often than not, unconcerned about who it hurts, as well.


True but I think most people see a difference between "disability" and "Welfare".

reminds me of a conversation between a reporter and presidential adlai Stevenson back in the day-

"(reporter) you have the votes of all thinking people."
"(adlai)"but I need a majority."



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22 Mar 2015, 10:00 pm

Canadian1911 wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Canadian1911 wrote:
Agreed - people who say to entirely dismantle it, are extremely short-sighted.

and more often than not, unconcerned about who it hurts, as well.


True but I think most people see a difference between "disability" and "Welfare".


Well there are two types of disability, one you could say people pay into....that would be SSDI, which people can get if they have had a job/jobs to support themselves and become disabled. Then there is SSI if you are too disabled to initially work and support yourself which I think would fit the definition of welfare. Also people on either are entitled to medicaid and with SSI food stamps, sometimes SSDI puts people over the limit to be elgible for food stamps though.


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22 Mar 2015, 10:05 pm

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auntblabby wrote:
Canadian1911 wrote:
Agreed - people who say to entirely dismantle it, are extremely short-sighted.

and more often than not, unconcerned about who it hurts, as well.


True but I think most people see a difference between "disability" and "Welfare".


Well there are two types of disability, one you could say people pay into....that would be SSDI, which people can get if they have had a job/jobs to support themselves and become disabled. Then there is SSI if you are too disabled to initially work and support yourself which I think would fit the definition of welfare. Also people on either are entitled to medicaid and with SSI food stamps, sometimes SSDI puts people over the limit to be elgible for food stamps though.



Again this is where Canada comes into play, there's actually disability here, each province calls it something different - but "Disability" is in the title. Like for ontario - it's the Ontario Disability Support Program



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22 Mar 2015, 11:38 pm

I mean, I'm 20. Finishing college next month. I get the disability pension money and it's how I live on my own. I am going to use the employment support to find me a part-time job, because they do that too. I'm calm knowing my bottom line is liveable. I do understand how if you already had a lot and then had to go on little, it would be a problem and then again Canada and the U.S are drastically different. the U.S is our ret*d cousin.



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23 Mar 2015, 12:28 am

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the U.S is our ret*d cousin.

that is putting it diplomatically, as Canadians are wont to do.



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23 Mar 2015, 12:57 am

auntblabby wrote:
Canadian1911 wrote:
the U.S is our ret*d cousin.

that is putting it diplomatically, as Canadians are wont to do.


"wont to do"

I never heard someone someone say "won't" in that manner, what's it mean?



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23 Mar 2015, 1:02 am

Canadian1911 wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Canadian1911 wrote:
the U.S is our ret*d cousin.

that is putting it diplomatically, as Canadians are wont to do.


"wont to do" I never heard someone someone say "won't" in that manner, what's it mean?


definition of WONT-
[ wônt, wōnt ]
ADJECTIVE literary
(of a person) in the habit of doing something; accustomed:
"he was wont to arise at 5:30 every morning"
synonyms: accustomed · used · given · inclined
NOUN formal humorous (one's wont)
one's customary behavior in a particular situation:
"Constance, as was her wont, had paid her little attention"
synonyms: custom · habit · way · practice · convention · rule

VERB, archaic form-
make or be or become accustomed:
"wont thy heart to thoughts hereof"



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23 Mar 2015, 10:12 am

auntblabby wrote:
Canadian1911 wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Canadian1911 wrote:
the U.S is our ret*d cousin.

that is putting it diplomatically, as Canadians are wont to do.


"wont to do" I never heard someone someone say "won't" in that manner, what's it mean?


definition of WONT-
[ wônt, wōnt ]
ADJECTIVE literary
(of a person) in the habit of doing something; accustomed:
"he was wont to arise at 5:30 every morning"
synonyms: accustomed · used · given · inclined
NOUN formal humorous (one's wont)
one's customary behavior in a particular situation:
"Constance, as was her wont, had paid her little attention"
synonyms: custom · habit · way · practice · convention · rule

VERB, archaic form-
make or be or become accustomed:
"wont thy heart to thoughts hereof"


Ok, so "have a habit of"



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23 Mar 2015, 1:46 pm

not a habit, more like a convention or practice or philosophy, as a nation.



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25 Mar 2015, 1:31 pm

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Do you believe that the government should "help" people with Aspergers? I find the government trying to "help" any minority offensive. It makes me feel somehow lower.


I agree. We should help each other and not rely on neurotypicals. Having an independant country will help when it comes to this.



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25 Mar 2015, 2:46 pm

Why should everyone who pays taxes and actually works pay for people who cannot work. With all the money raised by autism charities every autistic would get more money from them than they would from the government if the government would reform the tax loophole for charities to make what Autism Speaks does illegal therefore they would clean up their act so they continue to pay no taxes.

The government's job is explicitly said in the Constitution as to protect the public and maintain infrastructure, not to steal from the rich and give to the needy. By the way for all those socialists here who say big corporations steal all the money from the poor, the poor have the choice to buy from big companies or not. Also who pays the middle and lower classes. Taxes on the other hand are involuntary, the less of them the better, taxes giving to someone for nothing in return sounds a lot like theft.


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25 Mar 2015, 7:02 pm

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Why should everyone who pays taxes and actually works pay for people who cannot work. With all the money raised by autism charities every autistic would get more money from them than they would from the government if the government would reform the tax loophole for charities to make what Autism Speaks does illegal therefore they would clean up their act so they continue to pay no taxes.

The government's job is explicitly said in the Constitution as to protect the public and maintain infrastructure, not to steal from the rich and give to the needy. By the way for all those socialists here who say big corporations steal all the money from the poor, the poor have the choice to buy from big companies or not. Also who pays the middle and lower classes. Taxes on the other hand are involuntary, the less of them the better, taxes giving to someone for nothing in return sounds a lot like theft.


The American government fritters away its tax dollars on useless s**t like warfare. The Canadian government actually uses its money to help its people, though admittedly there's still a certain amount that gets wasted. It would be the same way if it were charities managing the money instead of governments. Give a big organization lots of control, and they're going to make asses of themselves. Since that's the case, you may as well make that organization something that can be voted for and vetted by the people. It's easier for an average citizen to have some say in governmental matters, than in the matters of a non-government organization.



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25 Mar 2015, 11:42 pm

mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
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Why should everyone who pays taxes and actually works pay for people who cannot work. With all the money raised by autism charities every autistic would get more money from them than they would from the government if the government would reform the tax loophole for charities to make what Autism Speaks does illegal therefore they would clean up their act so they continue to pay no taxes.

The government's job is explicitly said in the Constitution as to protect the public and maintain infrastructure, not to steal from the rich and give to the needy. By the way for all those socialists here who say big corporations steal all the money from the poor, the poor have the choice to buy from big companies or not. Also who pays the middle and lower classes. Taxes on the other hand are involuntary, the less of them the better, taxes giving to someone for nothing in return sounds a lot like theft.


The American government fritters away its tax dollars on useless s**t like warfare. The Canadian government actually uses its money to help its people, though admittedly there's still a certain amount that gets wasted. It would be the same way if it were charities managing the money instead of governments. Give a big organization lots of control, and they're going to make asses of themselves. Since that's the case, you may as well make that organization something that can be voted for and vetted by the people. It's easier for an average citizen to have some say in governmental matters, than in the matters of a non-government organization.


Canadian government? Try to get a doctor whose office isn't run like the DMV. Try to get prompt medical care without going to a private clinic.

While I do take the Libertarian position on wars as in think before you act, I don't endorse appeasing our enemies like Iran, history shows that it doesn't work(WWII and Nevil Chamberlain). A strong defense is a good deterrent. I will agree with you that quite a bit of fat could be cut from the military.


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RichardJ wrote:
mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
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Why should everyone who pays taxes and actually works pay for people who cannot work. With all the money raised by autism charities every autistic would get more money from them than they would from the government if the government would reform the tax loophole for charities to make what Autism Speaks does illegal therefore they would clean up their act so they continue to pay no taxes.

The government's job is explicitly said in the Constitution as to protect the public and maintain infrastructure, not to steal from the rich and give to the needy. By the way for all those socialists here who say big corporations steal all the money from the poor, the poor have the choice to buy from big companies or not. Also who pays the middle and lower classes. Taxes on the other hand are involuntary, the less of them the better, taxes giving to someone for nothing in return sounds a lot like theft.


The American government fritters away its tax dollars on useless s**t like warfare. The Canadian government actually uses its money to help its people, though admittedly there's still a certain amount that gets wasted. It would be the same way if it were charities managing the money instead of governments. Give a big organization lots of control, and they're going to make asses of themselves. Since that's the case, you may as well make that organization something that can be voted for and vetted by the people. It's easier for an average citizen to have some say in governmental matters, than in the matters of a non-government organization.


Canadian government? Try to get a doctor whose office isn't run like the DMV. Try to get prompt medical care without going to a private clinic.

While I do take the Libertarian position on wars as in think before you act, I don't endorse appeasing our enemies like Iran, history shows that it doesn't work(WWII and Nevil Chamberlain). A strong defense is a good deterrent. I will agree with you that quite a bit of fat could be cut from the military.


The doctor's offices here aren't too bad actually. Sometimes there can be a bit of a wait, but most of the time it's reasonable. The doctors themselves can be kinda dickish drug pushers though, but I've heard doctors south of the border can be like that too. :roll: As far as going to the emergency room, well I once got a nasty gash on my hand while I was camping, so my parents drove me into the hospital in town, with my arm wrapped in a towel, and I was treated as soon as I got there. Checkmate.

I'm not opposed to having a decent military, but I think a lot of the money the US spends on its military could be put to better use in other areas, namely healthcare. Obamacare is a f*****g mess though, and I it was the worst possible way the US could have handled healthcare reform. Arguably, the best way would have been for the US to adopt a system similar to ours, but then you'd have people whining about higher taxes and socialism, so instead they basically made health insurance mandatory, when there are tons of people who can't even afford private health insurance. Sometimes, you just can't win.