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Eh, if GGPV is anything like me, he's probably not objecting to the word itself so much as it's extreme overuse, such as people censoring out the word 'crazy' as an "ableist slur". Like much of the words associated with social justice, it's not so much that the underlying concept is bad, it's just that people are using them in ways that are ridiculous.

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And here I thought that the sheer amount of force expelled by a 12 gauge round would be enough to take a person down, regardless of what type of shot it was loaded with. Goes to show how little I know about guns. I'm still pretty sure that shooting someone point blank with birdshot would do a number on them though, and in a typical home scenario, how far away ARE you going to be from an intruder?

Then again, wouldn't the mere sound of a shotgun firing be enough to scare most people off, or are home intruders in your area PCP-loaded freaks who have no regard for their own safety?

Bird shot is for shooting tiny birds or clay pigeons. Different rounds perform differently.

You won't be shooting someone point blank. If their that close then you going be in for s fight over control of the gun.

10-30 feet in a typical home. Most people train for 21 feet or 7 yards.

Your responsible for every round you fire. Warning shots in most states are illegal. Only shot when shooting someone and only because there's no other choice. If you fire a warning shot and they guy runs the police where say you weren't in real danger and so didn't need to fire. Now you can be charged with a whole bunch of things.

Breaking into a house when you know people are home is a whole never level. They are ok with hurting you. Your normal thief will learn your se held and break in when your gone. If they'll doing it at night then they'll probably armed with intent. Best not to give up your only advantage of surprise. Warning shots or the old just pump your shotgun , will just get you shot.

I didn't mean point blank as in a contact shot, I meant it as in being within a few feet of your target. That said, 7 yards is about 6.4 meters, and I was honestly estimating something half that, like what would be common in a smaller home or apartment.

Now, as for the whole thing about warning shots, this is a thread about unpopular political opinions, and my opinion is that people should be able to use deadly force to defend their property, something that is entirely illegal here. I think warning shots should be made legal as well. But you're right, doing it may just end up getting you shot. No reason to penalize people for doing it though, IMO.

But, again, you know more about this kind of stuff than I do. I've lived in some sort-of rough areas, but never anywhere where there's been a serious risk of break-ins. Growing up, we've had people try to steal stuff from our back yard and garage, but not from our actual house.

Humans need to be modified genetically en mass to eliminate destructive behaviors such as rape, transgression, and competitive impulses(among other things).

Why? Because freedom and equality cannot coexist with each other and cooperation on a national(and global) scale requires altering human nature.

Yes.

My asexual and genderqueer discussion groups are riddled with this crap.

I just want to say I think it speaks very well for this forum that a thread like this can exist peacefully and even pleasantly for so long. No signs of that changing either as far as I can see. I thought it would probably be locked on sight by the first mod to see it as a ticking time bomb that they would want to stop inevitably going off, and if not, that it would be lucky to get past the first page without exploding and would be locked by two.

I am most pleasantly surprised by this thread. Is it a surprise to others who have been here longer than me, or would what I thought would happen have been the surprise?

This is the first I've heard of the word "ableism."It sounds like something to do with Cain and Able.Like a disorder where you want to whack off your brother.
As for bird shot for self defense,usually a warning shot in the air sends most trespassers running,and if you shot them in the face with it,it would work just fine.For heavy duty intruders coming in a window,break out the buckshot.

Guess what folks.

Not only is "ableism" a word, but apparently there is also such a thing as "disableism".

A WP person posted some opaque academic thing here recently in which he mentioned a whole list of "isms" in the same breath: racism, sexism,ageism,etc. It included "ablism" AND "disablism". But he didnt explain what the words meant.

Had heard of "ablism" before (but only barely had heard of it - actually I have NEVER 'heard' it uttered IRL, only seen in online text). But (oh GAWD!) that was the first I ever saw the word "DISablism".

I thought that "ableism" was discriminating against disabled people. But if thats the case then what would "DISablism" be?

I guess the hatred goes both ways...between the handicapped, and the nonhandicapped. So you have to have a word for both directions of discrimination. So...if you are disabled and hate nondisable folks - THAT should be called "ableism" I would think ( since the target is folks who are abled). And the discrimination that you would get coming back at you from the able bodied folks would "disableism" since the victims are disabled.

What I would think. But have no idea if thats how it works.

I feel like the term democratic socialism is stupid. Just because we have public streets and a military and things like that does not change the fact that our economic system in the United States is capitalism, not socialism. I think the concept of democratic socialism was invented as if to say "well we already basically have socialism, so we might as well keep raising taxes and add more programs and redistribute wealth more until we have full socialism."

Socialism =/= Communism, at least *in practice*. Yes, Socialism *in concept* is not something we see often, but the way it's used *in practice*, it's used in a lot of different countries, including Canada and most of Europe. In this sense, it means having a significant number of government subsidized services that help people out, things like public healthcare, schooling, and disability incomes. The US is not a big fan of these things, but as shocking as it seems, the US government does have some socialist elements, just not as many as I think it should have.

Now, I think the way socialism is used *in practice*, it should have its own term to avoid confusing people who automatically associate it with Communism and anti-capitalism. Better yet, I really think that people should be better educated on use of the word so people don't get the wrong idea of what it's about. Canada is socialist, and democratic. The Soviet Union was just flat out totalitarian.

Communism is an inherently unworkable system, not because it functions correctly as a theoretical ideology, but merely it is unstable in a sociological fashion. People are predisposed to always look after their best interests regardless of any higher collective objectives. For instance, if I owned a farm and had to always give a percentage of my harvested bushels to the authorities, I am innately going to keep more than I should. As such, it is human behavior and wants that prevent pure communism from ever correctly materializing.

Socialism and communism are among the most misused and misunderstood words in the human vocabulary.

-I don't believe that social safety nets in the US are necessarily incompatible with economic growth and prosperity.
-I'm very progressive in some areas, but in others I am really old-school.
-I believe that the government coddles minorities too much

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I think a better term for Bernie Sanders would maybe be wealth redistributionist or something like that just to avoid confusion. I think my point is that just because we have tax-funded programs and we call it democratic socialism doesn't necessarily mean that is a good argument for having free tuition and free healthcare just because those things also fall under the category of democratic socialism.
We kind of talk about socialism as if there is like a socialism scale instead of either being socialist, capitalist, or communist. Maybe we should just go back to the classic definitions and come up with a different term for what we have now. It seems like to me that when democrats say socialism it means something different that when republicans say it. I just get tired of seeing people arguing about what socialism is.

Absolutely. Communism is a nice idea in theory, but in reality it's incompatible with human nature. Humans are innately selfish, individualistic animals, and that's just how it is.

I despise Islam.