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23 Jan 2017, 7:52 am

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Do you file taxes? Where would it show if he had any dealings with Russia?

There are tax experts who can answer that. It's a great example of what I mentioned in a post just a minute ago. I'm going to find and link to a bunch of IRS publications, you'll read them carefully, and then we'll have a reasoned discussion about whether it would be possible to hide stuff in theory? I'll pass, since that's not the way it would happen and you know it.



You don't need to be a tax expert, just somebody that knows what a tax return is. A tax return will not show you much, it will show you how much the person declared in income in whatever given year and the deductions they made but it's not going to show you any outstanding debts/loans, his total net worth, or specific business dealings. The FBI investigated Trump for any personal connections to Russia and they found none. So what are you looking for in tax returns?

Thank you. I assumed that you didn't know the difference between the 1040-EZ and the 1040-X, and you just proved it. Have you ever filed a Schedule C, even? It doesn't seem likely, unless your deliberately obfuscating.

Oh, you're deliberately obfuscating, right?


Isn't that exactly what you are doing? Repeating nonsense about tax returns that if you paid taxes before you know is not true. What are they going to show? The business disclosure stuff which was obligated by law tells you far more the specifics of Trump's businesses, if tax returns showed anything they would be required to be disclosed by law but they don't and they aren't. What do you think are in tax returns?



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23 Jan 2017, 7:55 am

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Oh, you're deliberately obfuscating, right?


Isn't that exactly what you are doing? Repeating nonsense about tax returns that if you paid taxes before you know is not true. What are they going to show? The business disclosure stuff which was obligated by law tells you far more the specifics of Trump's businesses, if tax returns showed anything they would be required to be disclosed by law but they don't and they aren't. What do you think are in tax returns?


Look up the definition of gaslighting. This is textbook stuff: Whatever reasonable accusation is made against the abuser, they throw it back in your face. Don't be a victim by trying to respond, just keep asking the simple question until they turn red with shame, or anger to hide the shame.


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23 Jan 2017, 8:00 am

What reasonable accusation? You don't get to set the rules or declare your arguments valid, they are mostly based on complete falsehoods as far as I can see. You guys always get really mad when I someone asks the specifics your nonsense Trump attack of the day, this is the problem with gobbling up propaganda since the people repeating it have no understanding of it but on the surface it sounds bad which is all the yellow press cares about. If you can't demonstrate one interesting thing that would be on Trump's tax returns then why are you talking about them still? 'Because the 'experts' at CNN and Buzzfeed still are? This is basically 'birtherism' part 2 except there isn't even a real conspiracy, just people that are illiterate about taxes.



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23 Jan 2017, 8:07 am

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You guys always get really mad when I someone asks the specifics your nonsense Trump attack of the day, this is the problem with gobbling up propaganda since the people repeating it have no understanding of it but on the surface it sounds bad which is all the yellow press cares about.

Is this why do you repeatedly refuse to respond to me?



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23 Jan 2017, 8:13 am

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You guys always get really mad when I someone asks the specifics your nonsense Trump attack of the day, this is the problem with gobbling up propaganda since the people repeating it have no understanding of it but on the surface it sounds bad which is all the yellow press cares about.

Is this why do you repeatedly refuse to respond to me?


About the FBI? What? I trust that if there was a connection then Obama's FBI would of found it as he would of had every reason to expose it. Simply put there is nothing there.

Now mind you, I actually support normalized relations with Russia and think they can become a valuable partner so all these insinuations don't bother me. I can't help but snicker at these Cold War dodos and Democrats grasping at anything to explain their loss before looking the mirror.



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23 Jan 2017, 8:15 am

It's pretty easy to just look up Schedule C, and note the column headers. You go from there and follow the nested LLCs. Now that I've started to blur my vision a little, concentrate on the context, and ignore the incessant attempts at distraction, I no longer feel bothered when they don't respond and amused when they demand a response from me, saying why should I respond when you haven't explained the Federal Tax Code in detail?


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23 Jan 2017, 8:20 am

:lol: and you're accusing others of obfuscating? If you can't explain what you are expecting to find with the limited information given from these tax returns then you really have no argument, there's more of an argument for Obama's 'long form' birth certificate than tax returns. The worst it can show you is that he used massive deductions and I really don't care, that is what a good businessman is supposed to do. If tax returns showed so much then how come the FEC doesn't legally require them like they do other things?



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23 Jan 2017, 8:26 am

The line of discussion regarding the tax records of Donald Trump being investigated seems non sequitur considering they are currently under audit.



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23 Jan 2017, 8:40 am

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I trust that if there was a connection then Obama's FBI would of found it as he would of had every reason to expose it. Simply put there is nothing there.

Neither of us know if there is something there or not. It is his behavior that indicates something might be amiss.

The problem with the Putrump bromance is that Trump is seriously outmatched. It doesn't really effect me as I live in Canada, but if Trump takes a wrong step in the Caucuses it may send ripples throughout the region. And with Israel spreading its wings again, who knows what'll happen. Too many tempers, too may grievances, too many weapons.



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23 Jan 2017, 8:46 am

Well obviously I disagree, I don't think anything is amiss. Trump's interest in Russia and vice versa are pretty straight forward in that it provides mutual benefit to both countries, nothing insidious or corrupt about it. The 'region' has been on fire for a long time now, I don't see Trump making things worse than Obama or Bush did who share the lion's share of the blame for the current state of the Middle East in my opinion.



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23 Jan 2017, 8:52 am

androbot01 wrote:
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I trust that if there was a connection then Obama's FBI would of found it as he would of had every reason to expose it. Simply put there is nothing there.

Neither of us know if there is something there or not. It is his behavior that indicates something might be amiss.

The problem with the Putrump bromance is that Trump is seriously outmatched. It doesn't really effect me as I live in Canada, but if Trump takes a wrong step in the Caucuses it may send ripples throughout the region. And with Israel spreading its wings again, who knows what'll happen. Too many tempers, too may grievances, too many weapons.


The problem with the so-called Putrump (another gem) bromance is that it's based far more on conjecture and sensationalism than actual fact.



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23 Jan 2017, 8:59 am

Jacoby wrote:
Well obviously I disagree, I don't think anything is amiss. Trump's interest in Russia and vice versa are pretty straight forward in that it provides mutual benefit to both countries, nothing insidious or corrupt about it

It's easy to take that view when you're being objective and practical, rather than relying on sensationalism and innuendo.

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The 'region' has been on fire for a long time now, I don't see Trump making things worse than Obama or Bush did who share the lion's share of the blame for the current state of the Middle East in my opinion.


Ah but sensationalism and innuendo would dictate otherwise.



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23 Jan 2017, 9:26 am

Trump said numerous times he would release his taxes after the audit. People have given actual proof that he can release a lot of information- but he refuses. Now that he's conned people to get himself into office, he is a big liar again and continues to refuse to release them. His claims of people not wanting to see them is yet another lie.

Hell.. Wikileaks is even asking for them to be sent to them, so they can be leaked! That's serious proof that something is seriously wrong.

In my view if the tax information gets out- Trump wont have any good Russia lies to use anymore. People can whine and cover up for him all he wants. He's certainly hiding stuff in his taxes.

Part of me still does think Russia has dirt of Republicans, so that's a big reason a bit of this crap is going down. I'm all for Russia/USA being allies... but Russia is the country trying to basically take over areas near them! They aren't innocent unless people support killing of innocents/civilians. :roll:



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23 Jan 2017, 9:33 am

America is no saint either, I see Russia as rational country that acts in its self interest which just so happens to intersect with our own at this time. I think it's a tremendous opportunity to repair relations between our two great countries which have so long been opposed, I think the world is a safer more peaceful place if the US and Russia can forge a workable relationship. Saying that Russia is trying to take over its neighbors isn't accurate and you can't just ignore the encroachment of NATO(an antiquated anti-Soviet alliance) closer and closer to Russia's doorstep when it was promised on the condition of withdrawing Soviet trumps that it wouldn't be expanded east of Germany. I have no interest in meddling in the affairs of Russia or eastern Europe, The US should mind it's own business.



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23 Jan 2017, 9:47 am

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The US should mind it's own business.

I agree, that's why I wonder what it is that the U.S. would get out of better relations with Russia.



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23 Jan 2017, 9:58 am

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The US should mind it's own business.

I agree, that's why I wonder what it is that the U.S. would get out of better relations with Russia.

Destroy ISIS, disengage from the Middle East, form an effective hedge against a rising Chinese superpower, and just a safer world. Like 90% of the nukes on this planet belong to the US and Russia and they're largely pointed at each other so better relations benefits the entire world I think.