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23 Jan 2017, 8:11 pm

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datalis/\ I don't need youtubers to tell me what's right or wrong.Use common sense.Youtube is full of kooks.Maybe you shouldn't be watching them if they upset you.I own my home free and clear,what does homeownership have to do with this?You think your penis is evil?Why on earth would you think that?Dont listen to anyone who says something like that.They have deep seated problems.

I don't like when I'm personally attacked; furthermore you guys are still not understanding my point. Feminism is no longer feminism. That is why I call myself an egalitarian. 99% of women who call themselves feminist are not classical feminist, just like how Liberals today are not classical liberals.

How did you come up with 99%?None of the feminists here hate men.Neither do any of the feminists I know.Please don't lump us in with the nuts.

I have witnessed plenty here who hate men, both recently and in the past. Speaking of that, what ever happened to Starvingartist?



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23 Jan 2017, 8:15 pm

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MLK was gettin beaten and thrown in jail standing up for his civil rights; these protesters are demanding 'safe spaces', censorship, and recognition of tumblr's 300 genders.

It's pretty easy to not get banned if you one ACT YOUR AGE and TWO not speak to people in a way that would make your mother want to wash it out with soap. You are not a martyr.
You think its that. I pity your soul. Try tell that to the crowds of people protesting Trump because Mike Pence supports conversion therapy because millions of people that will lose their livelihoods. Its not for trivial things that they dislike Trump its real issues. And if a tide of social conservatism risks becoming prominent than their is something to fear.


When millions actually lose their livelihoods it's a real issue - you know, like the millions of ignored Americans in the Rust Belt who voted for Trump. But your concern is with hypothetical loss of livelihood?

As for conversion therapy, as long as it isn't being forced on anyone, I have no objection to it. If people wish to spend money on trying to reconcile their sexuality with their ideological views, that's their business. Until there is categorical evidence that homosexuality is 100% nature vs 0% nurture, I see no reason to deny it as an option to those who are inclined to undertake it.

Your social conservatism boogieman I leave to you.
I don't think Hillary was fair to all the Republicans in the Rust Belt and I think we should understand them and listen rather than alienate them. The millions of Americans I was referring to are the undocumented immigrants. The thing is that while we can support of unemployed Americans with social security those Mexican immigrants risk losing everything with deportation.


A risk which they elected to take entirely of their own accord. Nobody forced them to break the law and your government has a duty to its citizens, not to illegal immigrants.

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The deal with conversion therapy is that in many cases it is being forced on people in the majority of cases and ultimately it doesn't work.


As I said, I have no objection except where it's forced on people - which typically applies only to minors.

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Why should we allow it to take place if all it does is anger and frustrate the individual over not being able to change who they are.


What gives you the impression you're entitled to deny the choices of others based on your perception that their decision is futile? What you're suggesting sounds totalitarian to me.


The effects of deporting illegal immigrants will destroy livelihoods. If that is the case then how are those sorts of deportations moral?

It should be banned as ultimately it has a negative impact on people as a whole and sends them in many cases down the wrong path. A number of people who do undertake conversion therapy end up committing suicide. If the effects of it outweigh the benefits by such a large number than why should it remain?



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23 Jan 2017, 8:18 pm

Datalis wrote:
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Datalis wrote:
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datalis/\ I don't need youtubers to tell me what's right or wrong.Use common sense.Youtube is full of kooks.Maybe you shouldn't be watching them if they upset you.I own my home free and clear,what does homeownership have to do with this?You think your penis is evil?Why on earth would you think that?Dont listen to anyone who says something like that.They have deep seated problems.

I don't like when I'm personally attacked; furthermore you guys are still not understanding my point. Feminism is no longer feminism. That is why I call myself an egalitarian. 99% of women who call themselves feminist are not classical feminist, just like how Liberals today are not classical liberals.

How did you come up with 99%?None of the feminists here hate men.Neither do any of the feminists I know.Please don't lump us in with the nuts.

I have witnessed plenty here who hate men, both recently and in the past. Speaking of that, what ever happened to Starvingartist?
Then show me examples of most feminists hating men, that's what I am not seeing. Your videos are packed with distressed people pissed at the world but no actual data. Everything about what I have experienced contradicts your narrative. Around 20% of people are feminists yet nothing close to one in five women would hate you.



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23 Jan 2017, 8:21 pm

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By the way, why aren't you two targeting the women here who state that they aren't a feminist? Not that I really want you two to do that, I'm just pointing that out. I guess you two want to target me, because of my evil penis.
Have you tried actually reading up on what feminist philosophy is?

Look if the feminist movement is all about man hating then shouldn't a large number of women be attacking you shunning you on the streets. Why isn't that happening, roughly 20% of the population is feminist?


Assuming the hypothesis is true, how often would you expect hatred to manifest as violent crime? Does the inverse also follow? If there is no violent crime there is no hate? The assumption of hatred in the hearts of one's opponents (in some cases literally all men) is a fairly common narrative used by feminists. Should there not, therefore, be an epidemic of feminists being violently attacked, or shall we save ourselves a great deal of time and simply conclude that your proposition is flawed?


I expect it to manifest in some kind of distrust women may have for men but instead I see the opposite. Most women I see even feminists have male partners they care for and most women I have talked to are at least cordial. Its also just common-sense that trying to advocate for murder is bad and if you go outside you will find it almost universally condemned.


Why would you expect it to manifest as distrust for men who are part of the feminist's in-group?

The problem with many feminists - n.b. it is impossible to consider feminists as a collective, and I refuse to even consider doing so until they elect a pope - is that they promote a message that at best neglects the rights, needs and problems of men, and at worst wilfully and deliberately runs counter to or undermines them. They also promote the idea that women should be given preferential treatment whilst claiming to pursue equality. Of course, they equality of outcome, not of opportunity, based solely on whichever chromosomes one happens to be born with.

Yes, there are self-identified feminists who are effectively nothing more than harmless advocates of egalitarianism. If that describes you, brilliant. Carry on not being objectionable and don't stand in the way of anyone who wishes to challenge those who are - even those who overstate the problem to the Nth degree.



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23 Jan 2017, 8:25 pm

Shahunshah wrote:
Datalis wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Datalis wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
datalis/\ I don't need youtubers to tell me what's right or wrong.Use common sense.Youtube is full of kooks.Maybe you shouldn't be watching them if they upset you.I own my home free and clear,what does homeownership have to do with this?You think your penis is evil?Why on earth would you think that?Dont listen to anyone who says something like that.They have deep seated problems.

I don't like when I'm personally attacked; furthermore you guys are still not understanding my point. Feminism is no longer feminism. That is why I call myself an egalitarian. 99% of women who call themselves feminist are not classical feminist, just like how Liberals today are not classical liberals.

How did you come up with 99%?None of the feminists here hate men.Neither do any of the feminists I know.Please don't lump us in with the nuts.

I have witnessed plenty here who hate men, both recently and in the past. Speaking of that, what ever happened to Starvingartist?
Then show me examples of most feminists hating men, that's what I am not seeing. Your videos are packed with distressed people pissed at the world but no actual data. Everything about what I have experienced contradicts your narrative. Around 20% of people are feminists yet nothing close to one in five women would hate you.

I show you videos and you disregard them. I'm not going to scroll through the whole site. A woman a few weeks ago admitted that she only dates men with big penises and uses them. I don't feel like digging up threads, especially when I have an operation in the morning. Furthermore, your comments on immigration tell me that I shouldn't waste my time with you any longer. I showed you evidence. If I show you more, you'll just deny it. So, what is the point? Go ahead and live in your bubble where no women ever attack or manipulate men, or believe that it's such a rare occurrence that it's up there with Big Foot sitings. By the way, 20% is still a large number. I never said all women are like that. A majority of them are located in Blue States, like mine.



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23 Jan 2017, 8:28 pm

Shahunshah wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
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Shahunshah wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
MLK was gettin beaten and thrown in jail standing up for his civil rights; these protesters are demanding 'safe spaces', censorship, and recognition of tumblr's 300 genders.

It's pretty easy to not get banned if you one ACT YOUR AGE and TWO not speak to people in a way that would make your mother want to wash it out with soap. You are not a martyr.
You think its that. I pity your soul. Try tell that to the crowds of people protesting Trump because Mike Pence supports conversion therapy because millions of people that will lose their livelihoods. Its not for trivial things that they dislike Trump its real issues. And if a tide of social conservatism risks becoming prominent than their is something to fear.


When millions actually lose their livelihoods it's a real issue - you know, like the millions of ignored Americans in the Rust Belt who voted for Trump. But your concern is with hypothetical loss of livelihood?

As for conversion therapy, as long as it isn't being forced on anyone, I have no objection to it. If people wish to spend money on trying to reconcile their sexuality with their ideological views, that's their business. Until there is categorical evidence that homosexuality is 100% nature vs 0% nurture, I see no reason to deny it as an option to those who are inclined to undertake it.

Your social conservatism boogieman I leave to you.
I don't think Hillary was fair to all the Republicans in the Rust Belt and I think we should understand them and listen rather than alienate them. The millions of Americans I was referring to are the undocumented immigrants. The thing is that while we can support of unemployed Americans with social security those Mexican immigrants risk losing everything with deportation.


A risk which they elected to take entirely of their own accord. Nobody forced them to break the law and your government has a duty to its citizens, not to illegal immigrants.

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The deal with conversion therapy is that in many cases it is being forced on people in the majority of cases and ultimately it doesn't work.


As I said, I have no objection except where it's forced on people - which typically applies only to minors.

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Why should we allow it to take place if all it does is anger and frustrate the individual over not being able to change who they are.


What gives you the impression you're entitled to deny the choices of others based on your perception that their decision is futile? What you're suggesting sounds totalitarian to me.


The effects of deporting illegal immigrants will destroy livelihoods. If that is the case then how are those sorts of deportations moral?


The effects of putting drug-dealers in prison has the same effect. Ill-gotten gains as a means to an end are deemed detrimental to society, hence our laws against such.

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It should be banned as ultimately it has a negative impact on people as a whole and sends them in many cases down the wrong path.


Should we also outlaw fizzy soft drinks or Pizza? Define "wrong path".

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A number of people who do undertake conversion therapy end up committing suicide. If the effects of it outweigh the benefits by such a large number than why should it remain?


A number of people who undertake gender reassignment surgery end up committing suicide. Do you support their right to pursue it, despite the fact it can literally be defined as self-harm? I do, despite my opinion that it's the incorrect treatment. The same applies to conversion therapy.



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23 Jan 2017, 8:30 pm

Datalis wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Datalis wrote:
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Datalis wrote:
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datalis/\ I don't need youtubers to tell me what's right or wrong.Use common sense.Youtube is full of kooks.Maybe you shouldn't be watching them if they upset you.I own my home free and clear,what does homeownership have to do with this?You think your penis is evil?Why on earth would you think that?Dont listen to anyone who says something like that.They have deep seated problems.

I don't like when I'm personally attacked; furthermore you guys are still not understanding my point. Feminism is no longer feminism. That is why I call myself an egalitarian. 99% of women who call themselves feminist are not classical feminist, just like how Liberals today are not classical liberals.

How did you come up with 99%?None of the feminists here hate men.Neither do any of the feminists I know.Please don't lump us in with the nuts.

I have witnessed plenty here who hate men, both recently and in the past. Speaking of that, what ever happened to Starvingartist?
Then show me examples of most feminists hating men, that's what I am not seeing. Your videos are packed with distressed people pissed at the world but no actual data. Everything about what I have experienced contradicts your narrative. Around 20% of people are feminists yet nothing close to one in five women would hate you.

I show you videos and you disregard them. I'm not going to scroll through the whole site. A woman a few weeks ago admitted that she only dates men with big penises and uses them. I don't feel like digging up threads, especially when I have an operation in the morning. Furthermore, your comments on immigration tell me that I shouldn't waste my time with you any longer. I showed you evidence. If I show you more, you'll just deny it. So, what is the point? Go ahead and live in your bubble where no women ever attack or manipulate men, or believe that it's such a rare occurrence that it's up there with Big Foot sitings. By the way, 20% is still a large number. I never said all women are like that. A majority of them are located in Blue States, like mine.
I am not a feminist. Your videos aren't data they are of a few individuals. Show me the data?

Everything about my experience and my family's contradicts what you are saying.



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23 Jan 2017, 8:35 pm

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I am not a feminist. Your videos aren't data they are of a few individuals. Show me the data?

Everything about my experience and my family's contradicts what you are saying.


Datalis' videos showcased some of some of the most prominent, widely-followed and supported feminists of the last few years. Anita Sarkeesian's subscription numbers and crowd-funding support certainly qualifies as data.

Oh, and I'm sure you're familiar with the expression regarding the plural of "anecdote".



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23 Jan 2017, 8:36 pm

Shahunshah wrote:
Datalis wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Datalis wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Datalis wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
datalis/\ I don't need youtubers to tell me what's right or wrong.Use common sense.Youtube is full of kooks.Maybe you shouldn't be watching them if they upset you.I own my home free and clear,what does homeownership have to do with this?You think your penis is evil?Why on earth would you think that?Dont listen to anyone who says something like that.They have deep seated problems.

I don't like when I'm personally attacked; furthermore you guys are still not understanding my point. Feminism is no longer feminism. That is why I call myself an egalitarian. 99% of women who call themselves feminist are not classical feminist, just like how Liberals today are not classical liberals.

How did you come up with 99%?None of the feminists here hate men.Neither do any of the feminists I know.Please don't lump us in with the nuts.

I have witnessed plenty here who hate men, both recently and in the past. Speaking of that, what ever happened to Starvingartist?
Then show me examples of most feminists hating men, that's what I am not seeing. Your videos are packed with distressed people pissed at the world but no actual data. Everything about what I have experienced contradicts your narrative. Around 20% of people are feminists yet nothing close to one in five women would hate you.

I show you videos and you disregard them. I'm not going to scroll through the whole site. A woman a few weeks ago admitted that she only dates men with big penises and uses them. I don't feel like digging up threads, especially when I have an operation in the morning. Furthermore, your comments on immigration tell me that I shouldn't waste my time with you any longer. I showed you evidence. If I show you more, you'll just deny it. So, what is the point? Go ahead and live in your bubble where no women ever attack or manipulate men, or believe that it's such a rare occurrence that it's up there with Big Foot sitings. By the way, 20% is still a large number. I never said all women are like that. A majority of them are located in Blue States, like mine.
I am not a feminist. Your videos aren't data they are of a few individuals. Show me the data?

Everything about my experience and my family's contradicts what you are saying.

The data is discussed in the videos. I guess your experience trumps(pardon the pun) anyone else experience. Also, if I showed you data you'd just deny that as well. I could bring up why illegal immigration is bad and how it increases crime, but you'd deny that also.



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23 Jan 2017, 8:37 pm

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I am not a feminist. Your videos aren't data they are of a few individuals. Show me the data?

Everything about my experience and my family's contradicts what you are saying.


Datalis' videos showcased some of some of the most prominent, widely-followed and supported feminists of the last few years. Anita Sarkeesian's subscription numbers and crowd-funding support certainly qualifies as data.

Oh, and I'm sure you're familiar with the expression regarding the plural of "anecdote".

Thank you!



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23 Jan 2017, 8:37 pm

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datalis/\ I don't need youtubers to tell me what's right or wrong.Use common sense.Youtube is full of kooks.Maybe you shouldn't be watching them if they upset you.I own my home free and clear,what does homeownership have to do with this?You think your penis is evil?Why on earth would you think that?Dont listen to anyone who says something like that.They have deep seated problems.

I don't like when I'm personally attacked; furthermore you guys are still not understanding my point. Feminism is no longer feminism. That is why I call myself an egalitarian. 99% of women who call themselves feminist are not classical feminist, just like how Liberals today are not classical liberals.

How did you come up with 99%?None of the feminists here hate men.Neither do any of the feminists I know.Please don't lump us in with the nuts.

Then you should use a more appropriate term, such as egalitarian.

That may be a better term to use.
Maybe most of the angry girls have been in the love and hating forum.I don't go there that often so could be unaware of what goes on.The PPR gals are really the only ones I'm knowledgable of.
If you just joined this site how do you know about starvingartist?I think she got banned quite awhile back.She was sort of cranky if I remember right.I truly think that some of these women have been horribly treated by fathers,or other men when they were younger.Its a shame they never had a positive male role model.Many male serial killers were horribly abused by mothers and other women in their childhood.Even if you have a rough childhood when mom and dad tuck you in at night and tell you they love you,there's hope for the future.I can only imagine the horror that some children go thru.


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23 Jan 2017, 8:39 pm

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I am not a feminist. Your videos aren't data they are of a few individuals. Show me the data?

Everything about my experience and my family's contradicts what you are saying.


Datalis' videos showcased some of some of the most prominent, widely-followed and supported feminists of the last few years. Anita Sarkeesian's subscription numbers and crowd-funding support certainly qualifies as data.

Oh, and I'm sure you're familiar with the expression regarding the plural of "anecdote".
I don't like Anita but that is besides the point. Does she advocate the murder of male babies?

Illegal immigration does increase crime but the cost of deporting them is to destroy 13 million lives. It is possible that we could deal with criminals but leave law abiding immigrants alone.



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the love and hating forum.

:hail: :hail: :hail:

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If you just joined this site how do you know about starvingartist?

Indeed.


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23 Jan 2017, 8:44 pm

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Sigh. I was recently warned about my anti-NT and anti-GOP rhetoric and that it will not be tolerated. So, all you alt-right people, you win. I admit defeat even here at a site created by, and sworn to, protecting those of us with Asperger's Syndrome.


There was another longtime WP member who has been banned for life, just recently. You very well may know who I'm talking about. That said, while I admit everyone here should practice more civility - including myself - I refuse to live in fear that I'll be banned for just defending what I know is right.
Who was banned?


This is to Kraichgauer because I couldn't find his post - you refuse to live in fear of being banned? What does that mean? One can defend their side without the name calling and demeaning another person. I also got banned for defending myself when someone started harassing me. Why should you be treated any different? I'm having to change my ways and so should you (and others here too).


I have been bullied and harassed by your friends, and have been baited into name calling. And the mods have warned me to think before typing. Just the same, I won't be silent with what I know is true.
By the way, as a mainline Protestant and Lutheran, I greatly admire Pope Francis.


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23 Jan 2017, 8:48 pm

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I truly think that some of these women have been horribly treated by fathers,or other men when they were younger.Its a shame they never had a positive male role model.


I think this is true of a great deal of abusive behaviour. It takes far more effort and willpower to break the cycle than it does to perpetuate it.

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Many male serial killers were horribly abused by mothers and other women in their childhood.


Another popular feminist narrative promotes the idea that abuse is solely the domain of men and that it primarily effects women. Boys who are victims of abuse are seemingly stripped of their victimhood when they become men.

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Even if you have a rough childhood when mom and dad tuck you in at night and tell you they love you,there's hope for the future.I can only imagine the horror that some children go thru.


Or, indeed, even if it's only one or the other.



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23 Jan 2017, 8:49 pm

Misslizard wrote:
Datalis wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Datalis wrote:
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datalis/\ I don't need youtubers to tell me what's right or wrong.Use common sense.Youtube is full of kooks.Maybe you shouldn't be watching them if they upset you.I own my home free and clear,what does homeownership have to do with this?You think your penis is evil?Why on earth would you think that?Dont listen to anyone who says something like that.They have deep seated problems.

I don't like when I'm personally attacked; furthermore you guys are still not understanding my point. Feminism is no longer feminism. That is why I call myself an egalitarian. 99% of women who call themselves feminist are not classical feminist, just like how Liberals today are not classical liberals.

How did you come up with 99%?None of the feminists here hate men.Neither do any of the feminists I know.Please don't lump us in with the nuts.

Then you should use a more appropriate term, such as egalitarian.

That may be a better term to use.
Maybe most of the angry girls have been in the love and hating forum.I don't go there that often so could be unaware of what goes on.The PPR gals are really the only ones I'm knowledgable of.
If you just joined this site how do you know about starvingartist?I think she got banned quite awhile back.She was sort of cranky if I remember right.I truly think that some of these women have been horribly treated by fathers,or other men when they were younger.Its a shame they never had a positive male role model.Many male serial killers were horribly abused by mothers and other women in their childhood.Even if you have a rough childhood when mom and dad tuck you in at night and tell you they love you,there's hope for the future.I can only imagine the horror that some children go thru.

I got banned awhile ago for sticking up for myself and pointing out how a certain woman was a hypocrite for calling me sexiest while she had made sexiest remarks towards men.