Can one be both conservative and tolerant?

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02 Mar 2017, 8:48 pm

You can't be fully conservative and fully tolerant.

A "tolerant conservative" is a "conservative" who isn't that conservative.

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02 Mar 2017, 9:14 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

You can't be fully conservative and fully tolerant.

A "tolerant conservative" is a "conservative" who isn't that conservative.

Fully tolerant liberals are quite the scarcity as well. Difference is that liberals re-define tolerance to suit thier needs.

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02 Mar 2017, 9:30 pm

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Difference is that liberals re-define tolerance to suit thier needs.

Funny, I don't hear the left whining that enabling and validating others intolerance is required to be genuinely tolerant.

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02 Mar 2017, 9:51 pm

Raptor wrote:

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

You can't be fully conservative and fully tolerant.

A "tolerant conservative" is a "conservative" who isn't that conservative.

Fully tolerant liberals are quite the scarcity as well. Difference is that liberals re-define tolerance to suit thier needs.

We actually have responded to the more intellectual conservative criticism. Racial equality movements used to have more white leadership. "Nothing about us without us" is often heard nowadays. The research into wasteful charity spending was difficult for people to accept, but there's a growing understanding that coming in with big ideas rarely works as well as listening to what the people need to improve their own lives.

So, if we redefined tolerance, it was in response to the people who had some issues with the way they were being tolerated. Conservatives tend to argue that liberals try to impose their ideas, and they have a point. But, conservatives seem to expect everyone to make the same choices they do if we stop imposing our ideas, and that has not materialized. If anything, actually listening to people and respecting their choices creates more innovation, creativity, and yes, weirdness. Whoops?

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02 Mar 2017, 10:29 pm

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Posters were distinctly advised to post about the topic and not about posters, and to continue in the same vein immediately after such a caution may merit formal action. I will refer this to the team.

I mentioned no names, and simply asked how I'm supposed to respond to a poster who doesn't make sense if pointing out said nonsensicalness is now going to be considered a personal attack. I'd suggest thinking this through long and hard, I'm not known for my proportional responses towards moderator adventurism regarding the scope of the rules, as well you know.

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02 Mar 2017, 10:33 pm

Raptor wrote:

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

You can't be fully conservative and fully tolerant.

A "tolerant conservative" is a "conservative" who isn't that conservative.

Fully tolerant liberals are quite the scarcity as well. Difference is that liberals re-define tolerance to suit thier needs.

Why is it necessary to attack liberals in order for you to justify your position? Its as if you have little confidence in the tolerance of conservatives

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02 Mar 2017, 10:36 pm

Alliekit wrote:

Raptor wrote:

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

You can't be fully conservative and fully tolerant.

A "tolerant conservative" is a "conservative" who isn't that conservative.

Fully tolerant liberals are quite the scarcity as well. Difference is that liberals re-define tolerance to suit thier needs.

Why is it necessary to attack liberals in order for you to justify your position? Its as if you have little confidence in the tolerance of conservatives

It is different it shows that liberals are no better than conservatives to any level. They are simply people prone to the same emotions and prejudices as the rest of us.

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02 Mar 2017, 11:28 pm

Shahunshah wrote:

Alliekit wrote:

Raptor wrote:

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

You can't be fully conservative and fully tolerant.

A "tolerant conservative" is a "conservative" who isn't that conservative.

Fully tolerant liberals are quite the scarcity as well. Difference is that liberals re-define tolerance to suit thier needs.

Why is it necessary to attack liberals in order for you to justify your position? Its as if you have little confidence in the tolerance of conservatives

It is different it shows that liberals are no better than conservatives to any level. They are simply people prone to the same emotions and prejudices as the rest of us.

It just seems weird to me because it's like saying "well jimmy punched someone so that's why I did" (I should also state I do not affiliate myself with either side)

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02 Mar 2017, 11:40 pm

Alliekit wrote:

Shahunshah wrote:

Alliekit wrote:

Raptor wrote:

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

You can't be fully conservative and fully tolerant.

A "tolerant conservative" is a "conservative" who isn't that conservative.

Fully tolerant liberals are quite the scarcity as well. Difference is that liberals re-define tolerance to suit thier needs.

Why is it necessary to attack liberals in order for you to justify your position? Its as if you have little confidence in the tolerance of conservatives

It is different it shows that liberals are no better than conservatives to any level. They are simply people prone to the same emotions and prejudices as the rest of us.

It just seems weird to me because it's like saying "well jimmy punched someone so that's why I did" (I should also state I do not affiliate myself with either side)

I get what you saying. The guy isn't doing anything to refute conservative bad behaviour.

Which by the way what are conservatives like in the UK?

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02 Mar 2017, 11:43 pm

Shahunshah wrote:

Alliekit wrote:

Shahunshah wrote:

Alliekit wrote:

Raptor wrote:

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

You can't be fully conservative and fully tolerant.

A "tolerant conservative" is a "conservative" who isn't that conservative.

Fully tolerant liberals are quite the scarcity as well. Difference is that liberals re-define tolerance to suit thier needs.

Why is it necessary to attack liberals in order for you to justify your position? Its as if you have little confidence in the tolerance of conservatives

It is different it shows that liberals are no better than conservatives to any level. They are simply people prone to the same emotions and prejudices as the rest of us.

It just seems weird to me because it's like saying "well jimmy punched someone so that's why I did" (I should also state I do not affiliate myself with either side)

I get what you saying. The guy isn't doing anything to refute conservative bad behaviour.

Which by the way what are conservatives like in the UK?

It depends what you mean because we have a conservative party but it's not like any of your party's. If you are refering to far right a particular group called Britain's First is an extreme example you could have a look at but they aren't a great example of sane people. There's not as clear right and left here it's all pretty central

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02 Mar 2017, 11:49 pm

Alliekit wrote:

Shahunshah wrote:

Alliekit wrote:

Shahunshah wrote:

Alliekit wrote:

Raptor wrote:

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

You can't be fully conservative and fully tolerant.

A "tolerant conservative" is a "conservative" who isn't that conservative.

Fully tolerant liberals are quite the scarcity as well. Difference is that liberals re-define tolerance to suit thier needs.

Why is it necessary to attack liberals in order for you to justify your position? Its as if you have little confidence in the tolerance of conservatives

It is different it shows that liberals are no better than conservatives to any level. They are simply people prone to the same emotions and prejudices as the rest of us.

It just seems weird to me because it's like saying "well jimmy punched someone so that's why I did" (I should also state I do not affiliate myself with either side)

I get what you saying. The guy isn't doing anything to refute conservative bad behaviour.

Which by the way what are conservatives like in the UK?

What's the climate like there? Are many people becoming more right wing?

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02 Mar 2017, 11:56 pm

Shahunshah wrote:

Alliekit wrote:

Shahunshah wrote:

Alliekit wrote:

Shahunshah wrote:

Alliekit wrote:

Raptor wrote:

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

You can't be fully conservative and fully tolerant.

A "tolerant conservative" is a "conservative" who isn't that conservative.

Fully tolerant liberals are quite the scarcity as well. Difference is that liberals re-define tolerance to suit thier needs.

Why is it necessary to attack liberals in order for you to justify your position? Its as if you have little confidence in the tolerance of conservatives

It is different it shows that liberals are no better than conservatives to any level. They are simply people prone to the same emotions and prejudices as the rest of us.

It just seems weird to me because it's like saying "well jimmy punched someone so that's why I did" (I should also state I do not affiliate myself with either side)

I get what you saying. The guy isn't doing anything to refute conservative bad behaviour.

Which by the way what are conservatives like in the UK?

What's the climate like there? Are many people becoming more right wing?

No more than usual. a few extremists shouting a bit louder but that's about it. To be honest most people don't discuss politics because its seen as almost a private thing.

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03 Mar 2017, 12:04 am