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20 Aug 2017, 3:15 am

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If taking one side or another politically was identity politics, then everyone would be guilty of it. But no, that is not identity politics. Rather, it constitutes identifying solely with people of one's own ethnicity, or religion, or social class at the exclusion of all others. Hell, by your definition, siding with a favorite football team would be identity politics!


My definition? I haven't provided one. I'm using the existing definition, one which you seem to have arbitrarily decided only applies to specific identities, apparently based on the limited scope of your own experiences.

Manchester United supporters are a social group. If they politicised on the basis of that shared identity it would, indeed, be identity politics. As would anyone who made political arguments against people on the basis of their being members of said social group. For example:

"No true Manchester United supporter would vote for that Manchester City loving bastard."

Similarly, when you class anyone who disagrees with you as "conservative" or "right wing", you're engaging in identity politics.

Other identity groups include cultures and subcultures, sex and/or gender, age group or generation (think Brexit), sexuality, profession or trade, nationality, area of settlement, etc. I'd be staggered to find you haven't witnessed the majority of these either applied or appealed to politically.



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20 Aug 2017, 3:23 am

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Kraichgauer wrote:
If taking one side or another politically was identity politics, then everyone would be guilty of it. But no, that is not identity politics. Rather, it constitutes identifying solely with people of one's own ethnicity, or religion, or social class at the exclusion of all others. Hell, by your definition, siding with a favorite football team would be identity politics!


My definition? I haven't provided one. I'm using the existing definition, one which you seem to have arbitrarily decided only applies to specific identities, apparently based on the limited scope of your own experiences.

Manchester United supporters are a social group. If they politicised on the basis of that shared identity it would, indeed, be identity politics. As would anyone who made political arguments against people on the basis of their being members of said social group. For example:

"No true Manchester United supporter would vote for that Manchester City loving bastard."

Similarly, when you class anyone who disagrees with you as "conservative" or "right wing", you're engaging in identity politics.

Other identity groups include cultures and subcultures, sex and/or gender, age group or generation (think Brexit), sexuality, profession or trade, nationality, area of settlement, etc. I'd be staggered to find you haven't witnessed the majority of these either applied or appealed to politically.


No, I don't call anyone I disagree with a conservative or right wing - I call people who are politically to the right conservative or right wing. Regardless, that still is not identity politics. Those Alt Right white nationalists at their idiot Unite The Right rally were purveyors of identity politics, as their goal was a purely white ethno state, whereas the antifascist demonstrators were not, as their counter protest revolved around the rejection of racism. I stand with the latter.


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20 Aug 2017, 4:06 am

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adifferentname wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
If taking one side or another politically was identity politics, then everyone would be guilty of it. But no, that is not identity politics. Rather, it constitutes identifying solely with people of one's own ethnicity, or religion, or social class at the exclusion of all others. Hell, by your definition, siding with a favorite football team would be identity politics!


My definition? I haven't provided one. I'm using the existing definition, one which you seem to have arbitrarily decided only applies to specific identities, apparently based on the limited scope of your own experiences.

Manchester United supporters are a social group. If they politicised on the basis of that shared identity it would, indeed, be identity politics. As would anyone who made political arguments against people on the basis of their being members of said social group. For example:

"No true Manchester United supporter would vote for that Manchester City loving bastard."

Similarly, when you class anyone who disagrees with you as "conservative" or "right wing", you're engaging in identity politics.

Other identity groups include cultures and subcultures, sex and/or gender, age group or generation (think Brexit), sexuality, profession or trade, nationality, area of settlement, etc. I'd be staggered to find you haven't witnessed the majority of these either applied or appealed to politically.


No, I don't call anyone I disagree with a conservative or right wing - I call people who are politically to the right conservative or right wing. Regardless, that still is not identity politics.


And people who are not. That is identity politics.

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Those Alt Right white nationalists at their idiot Unite The Right rally were purveyors of identity politics, as their goal was a purely white ethno state, whereas the antifascist demonstrators were not, as their counter protest revolved around the rejection of racism. I stand with the latter.


"I don't engage in identity politics but here are the identities I'm against, along with my take on what their goals are. Also, here are the identities I "stand with."

Mmhmm.



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20 Aug 2017, 4:29 am

adifferentname wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
If taking one side or another politically was identity politics, then everyone would be guilty of it. But no, that is not identity politics. Rather, it constitutes identifying solely with people of one's own ethnicity, or religion, or social class at the exclusion of all others. Hell, by your definition, siding with a favorite football team would be identity politics!


My definition? I haven't provided one. I'm using the existing definition, one which you seem to have arbitrarily decided only applies to specific identities, apparently based on the limited scope of your own experiences.

Manchester United supporters are a social group. If they politicised on the basis of that shared identity it would, indeed, be identity politics. As would anyone who made political arguments against people on the basis of their being members of said social group. For example:

"No true Manchester United supporter would vote for that Manchester City loving bastard."

Similarly, when you class anyone who disagrees with you as "conservative" or "right wing", you're engaging in identity politics.

Other identity groups include cultures and subcultures, sex and/or gender, age group or generation (think Brexit), sexuality, profession or trade, nationality, area of settlement, etc. I'd be staggered to find you haven't witnessed the majority of these either applied or appealed to politically.


No, I don't call anyone I disagree with a conservative or right wing - I call people who are politically to the right conservative or right wing. Regardless, that still is not identity politics.


And people who are not. That is identity politics.

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Those Alt Right white nationalists at their idiot Unite The Right rally were purveyors of identity politics, as their goal was a purely white ethno state, whereas the antifascist demonstrators were not, as their counter protest revolved around the rejection of racism. I stand with the latter.


"I don't engage in identity politics but here are the identities I'm against, along with my take on what their goals are. Also, here are the identities I "stand with."

Mmhmm.


By your definition, absolutely all politics has to do with identity. Or do you just paint the left with that designation?


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20 Aug 2017, 4:32 am

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Where are these "Nazis" anyway? All I see on the news is people yelling at the Trump building which I find is totally stupid because.

1) Trump doesn't have any control over Nazis.
2) Trump doesn't live anywhere close to Nazis territories. Trump lives in the Eastern US states, whereas Nazis typically live in the Western US states.
3) Trump doesn't actually live in Trump tower anymore. He lives in the white house.


There are these marvelous inventions called the internet, TV, and radio, through which Trump can communicate with his Alt Right base, regardless of where he or they geographically are.


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20 Aug 2017, 4:47 am

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By your definition, absolutely all politics has to do with identity. Or do you just paint the left with that designation?


:roll:

You're the gift that keeps on giving.



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20 Aug 2017, 5:52 am

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Where are these "Nazis" anyway? All I see on the news is people yelling at the Trump building which I find is totally stupid because.

1) Trump doesn't have any control over Nazis.
2) Trump doesn't live anywhere close to Nazis territories. Trump lives in the Eastern US states, whereas Nazis typically live in the Western US states.
3) Trump doesn't actually live in Trump tower anymore. He lives in the white house.


There are these marvelous inventions called the internet, TV, and radio, through which Trump can communicate with his Alt Right base, regardless of where he or they geographically are.


Yep when he's not communicating with the Russians, he's communicating with the nazis.



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20 Aug 2017, 12:24 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:
Aaendi wrote:
Where are these "Nazis" anyway? All I see on the news is people yelling at the Trump building which I find is totally stupid because.

1) Trump doesn't have any control over Nazis.
2) Trump doesn't live anywhere close to Nazis territories. Trump lives in the Eastern US states, whereas Nazis typically live in the Western US states.
3) Trump doesn't actually live in Trump tower anymore. He lives in the white house.


There are these marvelous inventions called the internet, TV, and radio, through which Trump can communicate with his Alt Right base, regardless of where he or they geographically are.


Yep when he's not communicating with the Russians, he's communicating with the nazis.


Yes.


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20 Aug 2017, 12:26 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:
By your definition, absolutely all politics has to do with identity. Or do you just paint the left with that designation?


:roll:

You're the gift that keeps on giving.


Then why don't you enlighten me, and show me how evil, evil me is wrapped up in identity politics, but virtuous you are not.


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20 Aug 2017, 12:42 pm

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adifferentname wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
By your definition, absolutely all politics has to do with identity. Or do you just paint the left with that designation?


:roll:

You're the gift that keeps on giving.


Then why don't you enlighten me, and show me how evil, evil me is wrapped up in identity politics, but virtuous you are not.


What do you think the last few pages of discussion was all about?

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20 Aug 2017, 3:00 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
By your definition, absolutely all politics has to do with identity. Or do you just paint the left with that designation?


:roll:

You're the gift that keeps on giving.


Then why don't you enlighten me, and show me how evil, evil me is wrapped up in identity politics, but virtuous you are not.


What do you think the last few pages of discussion was all about?

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The last few pages were you berating me for espousing liberal politics. I fail to see how choosing one political side or the other constitutes identity politics.


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20 Aug 2017, 3:16 pm

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The last few pages were you berating me for espousing liberal politics.


Took some time with that reply. If you spent it consulting a professional spin doctor, I'd ask for a refund.



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20 Aug 2017, 3:48 pm

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The last few pages were you berating me for espousing liberal politics.


Took some time with that reply. If you spent it consulting a professional spin doctor, I'd ask for a refund.


Do you watch the clock till I post a response? A bit anal on your part, wouldn't you say?


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21 Aug 2017, 3:15 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
The last few pages were you berating me for espousing liberal politics.


Took some time with that reply. If you spent it consulting a professional spin doctor, I'd ask for a refund.


Do you watch the clock till I post a response? A bit anal on your part, wouldn't you say?


Are you unfamiliar with time stamps?



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21 Aug 2017, 5:50 am

adifferentname wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
The last few pages were you berating me for espousing liberal politics.


Took some time with that reply. If you spent it consulting a professional spin doctor, I'd ask for a refund.


Do you watch the clock till I post a response? A bit anal on your part, wouldn't you say?


Are you unfamiliar with time stamps?


What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? I respond when and how I like.


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Kraichgauer wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
The last few pages were you berating me for espousing liberal politics.


Took some time with that reply. If you spent it consulting a professional spin doctor, I'd ask for a refund.


Do you watch the clock till I post a response? A bit anal on your part, wouldn't you say?


Are you unfamiliar with time stamps?


What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? I respond when and how I like.


Well, it's official. You've failed the Turing Test, Billbot.