Are female nipples honestly that "bad" to be shown?

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I wish more women got involved in this because honestly it seems like some of the guys on this topic are getting off on even just talking about nipples. And I would genuinely like to have some more genuine opinions.

Someone just said 'if it's in a public place I have the right to look at it' - this sounds SUPER creepy. Getting stared at because your skirt is short or top is low is not very nice. Not everyone goes out with the idea of seducing or trying to attract someone, sometimes people just want to be comfortable.

If I see someone attractive I actually try not to stare because they're a person not an animal in a zoo

Even if you don't stare, you probably are going to take occasional looks.

The right censors nipples for religious reasons.

The left censors nipples because of "sexual objectification" from men.

Yes, I also wish more women would talk about their opinions on this topic, and I also have no doubt that that is also creepy as well.

I think most cultures reached a point of no return to make it socially acceptable again (as to be shown without causing an uproar or creepy comments).

Even in France, full toplessness (not just while sunbathing the back) is becoming less common than Brigitte Bardot’s prime times. Increasly skin cancer concerns is a factor too.

Most men aren't trying to harm you though.

Personally, I just think this whole debate is simply amusing...
Titillating, if you will...
At my age I need a whole lot more than nipples to become stimulated...
Is that too creepy or just creepy enough?...

If women *choose* to wear their sexuality on the street, kudos to them...
I literally thank them in my mind for adding something positive to this dreary and depressing world...

If you wear a miniskirt and show some cleavage, expect to be appreciated...
And why do it if you don't want attention?

If you are at the beach, that is a different context...
But if you are simply in a public place and you don't want attention dress appropriately...

Wear shorts rather than a miniskirt...
Wear a loose fitting cotton gown rather than a boob tube top to gain some relief from the heat...

But yes, some men need to understand the difference between a glance and a stare...
But on the other hand, some women need to understand their hypocrisy in enjoying being appreciated by someone like George Clooney, Brad Pitt or Ryan Gosling while they think they are being "perved" at by less attractive men...

You are a female...
Whether we like it or not, evolution has made men and women differently...
And evidently, evolution has been very effective in the continuing the species with these differences...

Vive la difference!...

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I, myself, like it when things are "left to the imagination."

I get more turned on by the "implication" of something sexual happening, than on actually watching something sexual happen.

Interesting but I question the potency of having just a "young woman" instead of a "virgin woman" involved in a religious revolution...

Rightly or wrongly, I see the genesis of Christianity as a political movement with its political intrigues...
To have a "virgin" woman, presumably with hymen intact, would be very much more impressive to the proletariate than simply a young woman being pregnant, with does happen without mystical intervention I believe...

Bottom line: Having a Virgin Mary, with her immaculate conception is a much more powerful icon than a young woman who conceived through natural means...

BTW, what is the Hebrew for "Virgin"...Kraftie? anyone?

It was political.

The movement, perhaps begun by John the Baptist, and continued by Jesus of Nazareth was, originally, a rebellion against the decadence of the rabbinical establishment of the Roman province where all these people lived.

It was, at least in some ways, a "get back to basics" sort of movement.

Maybe they should have another rebellion against decadence and get back to basics again.

Yes I realise this has already happened in Christianity several times. Maybe they need to do it every century or two.

Hmm not really; Jesus was a reformist; he abolished the strict old Jewish laws such as stoning women for adultery - and replaced them with more compassionate rules.

The one who did “let’s get back to the basics of old Jewish laws” movement was actually Mohammad.

Oh, sure. Magic virgins are much more interesting than regular women who just have sex and give birth normally. Doesn't say much about the validity of the claim itself. And it's not like virgin births aren't common in other, older mythologies, so if you're inclined to capitalize on that...My point was that it doesn't seem to have been part of the mythos from the beginning, but introduced later, either deliberately or by misquotation.

And hebrew for "virgin" is "betulah".

^ In Arabic, “virgin” is “ ‘adra” or “batoul” - the latter word sounds similair to the hebrew one.

Women would never complain about this real traditionally liberal countries.