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Why do you own a gun?
For self-protection 18%  18%  [ 11 ]
For hunting 7%  7%  [ 4 ]
As a hobby or collection 12%  12%  [ 7 ]
Symbolic or object of desire 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
I don't own a gun 63%  63%  [ 38 ]
Total votes : 60

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11 Mar 2018, 2:45 pm

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He, you guys lost me on the details, but then, I did ask.

What's the deal with carrying - do all states allow you to carry, does it need a special licence, and does the gun need to be concealed?

Again, no ulterior motive here, I'm just interested.


I beleive all states are now required to allow carry. California tried to deny people but got taken to court and lost I think, they still make it super hard to get. Some states have constitutional carry, meaning no license or permit needed, since they have the right to bear arms ie carry is what bear means.
Other states like Washington have a license but all you do is pay $50 and they run a check via fbi and another agencies.
My state and others require a class. Few states like Texas require shooting test that’s harder then what police are required to do to qualify to carry their guns which is ridiculous but intended to deny people their right to carry. My class had a non required shooting test. We took shots at various distance and at the target approaching us. This is required for my state. The class that’s required is a whole day long. We can also get Utah’s I think or Florida which would allow us to carry in most the nation. See unlike driver license for some reason states aren’t required to accept people’s carry license so they make agreements. My state won’t accept anyone’s so no one accepts it either so I need to get a Utah and Florida one since almost everyone but 3 states accep theirs. I don’t travel though so I didn’t do it. We were trying to get it national accepted justblike license since I’m an us citizen not a citizen of a independent nation of Oregon.

Depends my state allows open carry but some cities don’t like Portland. So I could carry open except in Portland to be correct Portland doesn’t want people to carry you by law they can’t deny concealed carry with a license in public areas(schools, state offices, city halls, police stations, anything state funded.) Court houses aren’t allow nor are federal buildings(post office, social security, etc) stores who are open to the public can have no gun policies but worse they can do is ask you to leave if they see it. Unlike Texas which has a law that requires a specific sign placed at all entrances in visible area at which going inside with a gun is breaking the law. The county around Portland allows open carry but the gun has to be unloaded with no magazine in it. Permit holders are exception to that again.

If I go to Washington I have to open carry.

When I go to Eugene city connected to mine I pull up the law on my phone since as a liberal city they try to illegal violate the law by quoting non laws with a sign that says no guns on their city buildings. I mean they give the law number to a law that doesn’t exist. They completely made it up.
As permit holders we know the law better then them lol we have to do as not to carry in places we can’t.



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11 Mar 2018, 2:49 pm

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I don’t have anything against you I just don’t care for how you portrayed me. :(


Likewise.


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11 Mar 2018, 3:33 pm

You have to meet some pretty stringent conditions in order to get a license to carry a handgun in NYC.

Or: you have to know somebody influential.....

It's much less of a crime to be caught with an unloaded rifle than it is to be caught with a loaded handgun.



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11 Mar 2018, 3:53 pm

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I don’t have anything against you I just don’t care for how you portrayed me. :(


Likewise.

I didn’t prettay you as anything though
I talked about a person wearing hoodie at night following someone which for reason I can’t understand yiubthen assumes is you 0.o then you in response pretreated me as going around threatening people in hoodies with a gun.

I then went to describe how unless you do those things it’s not you orjuat anyone in a hoodie



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11 Mar 2018, 4:30 pm

Well anti-gun people aren't usually violent, just currently agitated. There's no denying this country has set a nasty example in how we handle guns; I'll admit that others' misconduct around weapons discolors everyone else's profiles as gun owners. I'll probably inherit some guns & friends of mine own a few, while none of this is any reason I can't enjoy a few hours of target practice it is why I prefer to keep it all out of public view. That also doesn't mean I want the govt. regulating my property, far from it, I want nothing to do with such corrupt systems of government as we see today & I appreciate the capacity to defend myself from them, though I don't plan on needing to. Am I anti-gun? I'm largely neutral but judging by surroundings I don't really think we need more weapons in the world.

For example, Raptor could at LEAST keep his pistol in a locked glove box rather than an armrest with a plastic flap. Anyone could smash a window & walk away with a free 9mm. Kids play in cars all the time, even unfamiliar ones. That or the gun could have biometric safety but most people in the U.S. are too stingy to ever upgrade to such things. Sure I'm being cynical here but I know from a few glances at the news it could save any number of people from stupid.


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11 Mar 2018, 4:40 pm

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SUV? Well that's deathly boring.

It's practical AND paid for.


I don't even think automatic transmissions should be legal, they make drivers complacent.


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11 Mar 2018, 4:45 pm

Aren't they like 5 times more expensive to fix than manual transmissions?



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11 Mar 2018, 4:50 pm

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Well anti-gun people aren't usually violent, just currently agitated. There's no denying this country has set a nasty example in how we handle guns; I'll admit that others' misconduct around weapons discolors everyone else's profiles as gun owners. I'll probably inherit some guns & friends of mine own a few, while none of this is any reason I can't enjoy a few hours of target practice it is why I prefer to keep it all out of public view. That also doesn't mean I want the govt. regulating my property, far from it, I want nothing to do with such corrupt systems of government as we see today & I appreciate the capacity to defend myself from them, though I don't plan on needing to. Am I anti-gun? I'm largely neutral but judging by surroundings I don't really think we need more weapons in the world.

For example, Raptor could at LEAST keep his pistol in a locked glove box rather than an armrest with a plastic flap. Anyone could smash a window & walk away with a free 9mm. Kids play in cars all the time, even unfamiliar ones. That or the gun could have biometric safety but most people in the U.S. are too stingy to ever upgrade to such things. Sure I'm being cynical here but I know from a few glances at the news it could save any number of people from stupid.


I don’t wish to have to hide that I’m a gun owner anymore then I currently do. It’s not some disgusting horrible fetish.

I don’t have any of my guns locked up. Lock boxes are easily broken into they just help keep kids from guns if they honest kids. Safe actually safes thst would take hours to break into are highly expensive. If the government wants to give me one for free I’ll keep some of my guns in it but I can’t affor 2,000+ for a safe. Many middle class gun owners can and have many safes. Poor people can’t afford safes. Since lock boxes are not security and cost $300-1000 it’s better just to hide the guns. Lock box would just say hey here I am full of guns and 30 mins or less they’ll be in it. Smaller ones are especially useless as one can just grab it and open it later.

How often does your work phone unlock without using a pin? There’s a reason police and military won’t use biometric guns they have high failure rates. It’d sure be great to try to defend yourself only to have the gun go click cause the biometric malfunctioned yay. Guns are finely tuned mechanics with possible to fail for various reasons as is adding another system with higher failure rates to it is crazy. I never want one. They also highly expensive. The 22lr one they made is over $1,000. So no most people don’t want one either and we certainly don’t want to be forced to only own one and turn in all other guns. And that is why gun owners are against biometric guns. Same reason a lot of them don’t use the biometric safes.



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11 Mar 2018, 4:52 pm

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For example, Raptor could at LEAST keep his pistol in a locked glove box rather than an armrest with a plastic flap. Anyone could smash a window & walk away with a free 9mm. Kids play in cars all the time, even unfamiliar ones. That or the gun could have biometric safety but most people in the U.S. are too stingy to ever upgrade to such things. Sure I'm being cynical here but I know from a few glances at the news it could save any number of people from stupid.

LOL You think a person who smashes-in a car window, can't also smash a locked glove box?

I don't think Raptor would let kids play in his vehicle without his supervision----and, anyway, why would a kid be playing in a car (assuming it's in somebody's driveway)? And, if they're playing in a car, while the car is in motion, why aren't they in the backseat, where they belong, by law? And, if they're old enough to be in the front seat, he would probably be leaning on the armrest, where his gun was. Also, I can't imagine Raptor subjecting himself to the company of an unruly kid----I certainly wouldn't!!





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11 Mar 2018, 4:53 pm

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Aren't they like 5 times more expensive to fix than manual transmissions?

I dont know about that but it’s the future. Hardly any cars are made with manual transmissions anymore thank gosh. The new ones can function like manuals. One I saw in school had a belt and pullu that moved to change speeds. Most mid to high cars have the new transmission that is automatic it can be shifted manually via buttons in the steering wheel.



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11 Mar 2018, 4:56 pm

Ok so now we're treating stolen guns as a laughing matter? Bye.


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11 Mar 2018, 4:57 pm

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For example, Raptor could at LEAST keep his pistol in a locked glove box rather than an armrest with a plastic flap. Anyone could smash a window & walk away with a free 9mm. Kids play in cars all the time, even unfamiliar ones. That or the gun could have biometric safety but most people in the U.S. are too stingy to ever upgrade to such things. Sure I'm being cynical here but I know from a few glances at the news it could save any number of people from stupid.

LOL You think a person who smashes-in a car window, can't also smash a locked glove box?

I don't think Raptor would let kids play in his vehicle without his supervision----and, anyway, why would a kid be playing in a car (assuming it's in somebody's driveway)? And, if they're playing in a car, while the car is in motion, why aren't they in the backseat, where they belong, by law? And, if they're old enough to be in the front seat, he would probably be leaning on the armrest, where his gun was. Also, I can't imagine Raptor subjecting himself to the company of an unruly kid----I certainly wouldn't!!


Oh car didn’t notice that. Lots of people leave guns in their trunk as just in case guns. Usually a rifle and pistol. Middle class people who can afford to replace it. Poor people don’t. It’s so annoying to hear Middle a clas people call my $900 rifle inexpensive . Does raptor leave it in there all the time? Many people have a holster they put their carry gun in while driving then take it out when they leave. As it’s hard to reach your carry holster while in a car seat.



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11 Mar 2018, 5:00 pm

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Ok so now we're treating stolen guns as a laughing matter? Bye.

Shouldn’t one be reasonable secure in their home and items be reasonably secure in their homes?
By law I am not responsible for someone breaking th law by breaking into my house and stealing my objects of any kind.
Theft is not a laughing matter I’d be super upset that my house was broken into and my stuff stolen. Do you lock up all your knifes?



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Well that's exactly what they want you to think. For too long our military-industrial complex has banked on controlling others through fear of superior firepower & everyday people are manipulated into emulating them. Gun proponents will conjure ideals of rugged individualism but when we're honest it's all about engendering a sense of moral superiority & sowing fear among outsiders generalized as potential threats.


I actually think that you are going too far.

Are some gun nuts military nuts? Yes ... but what about all the anti-war people who use guns? What about all the paleoconservatives, anarchists and Marxists who use guns?

Additionally, the military-industrial complex is driven by corporate greed. Most gun owners are not driven by corporate greed. There is a difference.

Additionally, there are some gun owners who live in the woods and use their guns for hunting. That actually is rugged individualism.

Let's not put the imperialist military machine on the same level as ordinary gun owners. It lowers the quality of the discourse.


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11 Mar 2018, 5:04 pm

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Ok so now we're treating stolen guns as a laughing matter? Bye.

If this comment was directed at me..... I wasn't laughing at the possibility of a stolen gun----I was laughing at your non-logical hypothetical.






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11 Mar 2018, 5:24 pm

My wife has a Honda CR-V that you can convert from automatic to manual.