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16 Dec 2018, 7:50 am

^ Yep I agree with that.

Also this one is worth a mention. People think that the men and women who were accused of witchcraft in Salem, Massachusetts were burned at the stake but that's not how they were executed at all. Most of them were hanged.

Despite the fact that I love the idea of witches in fantasy I kind of hate it when I see movies and TV shows that make the "witches" of Salem seem like actual evil witches and that the people killing them were heroes.

NONE of the people who were ever killed for witchcraft were actually witches! The witchhunts were a very terrible thing that caused the deaths of many innocent people because back then people were stupid and had more superstitions and zealotic religous beliefs than knowledge or common sense.

It really bugs me how people seem to mock what happened to those poor people in Salem and any other country that actually did witchhunts. :roll:



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16 Dec 2018, 8:33 am

^That made me think of that movie called Paranorman, where there was a "true story" about the settlers who stood up against an "evil witch" and have her hanged, but who they actually hanged was an innocent little girl who had the ability to see supernatural beings, and was ostracized for it.

Another movie was the latest Pirates of the Caribbean film, Dead Men Tell No Tales, where there was another female character who was accused of being a "witch" just because she was a freaking astronomer and horologist!



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16 Dec 2018, 8:48 am

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^ Yep I agree with that.

Also this one is worth a mention. People think that the men and women who were accused of witchcraft in Salem, Massachusetts were burned at the stake but that's not how they were executed at all. Most of them were hanged.

Despite the fact that I love the idea of witches in fantasy I kind of hate it when I see movies and TV shows that make the "witches" of Salem seem like actual evil witches and that the people killing them were heroes.

NONE of the people who were ever killed for witchcraft were actually witches! The witchhunts were a very terrible thing that caused the deaths of many innocent people because back then people were stupid and had more superstitions and zealotic religous beliefs than knowledge or common sense.

It really bugs me how people seem to mock what happened to those poor people in Salem and any other country that actually did witchhunts. :roll:


Back in college, I recall studying about the Salem witch trials in an anthropology class. Taken into account was the religious zeal of the pre-industrial west, the very real acceptance of invisible beings, as well as the sense of isolation in the early American settlements, and certain resentments that were kept restrained till it reached a boiling point. What culminated from all this manifested itself as a mass dissociative state among a group of young girls who came to suffer from the same delusion of being bewitched. The same kind of thing can be found even today in mostly third world societies, though culturally marginalized groups in the west occasionally have an outbreak of dissociative behaviors and delusions.


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16 Dec 2018, 9:21 am

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^ Yep I agree with that.

Also this one is worth a mention. People think that the men and women who were accused of witchcraft in Salem, Massachusetts were burned at the stake but that's not how they were executed at all. Most of them were hanged.

Despite the fact that I love the idea of witches in fantasy I kind of hate it when I see movies and TV shows that make the "witches" of Salem seem like actual evil witches and that the people killing them were heroes.

NONE of the people who were ever killed for witchcraft were actually witches! The witchhunts were a very terrible thing that caused the deaths of many innocent people because back then people were stupid and had more superstitions and zealotic religous beliefs than knowledge or common sense.

It really bugs me how people seem to mock what happened to those poor people in Salem and any other country that actually did witchhunts. :roll:


Back in college, I recall studying about the Salem witch trials in an anthropology class. Taken into account was the religious zeal of the pre-industrial west, the very real acceptance of invisible beings, as well as the sense of isolation in the early American settlements, and certain resentments that were kept restrained till it reached a boiling point. What culminated from all this manifested itself as a mass dissociative state among a group of young girls who came to suffer from the same delusion of being bewitched. The same kind of thing can be found even today in mostly third world societies, though culturally marginalized groups in the west occasionally have an outbreak of dissociative behaviors and delusions.


Yeah that's very true. Superstitions can make people do crazy things even in developed countries. Like the people who actually torture and kill black cats because they think they are evil and unlucky. That's the reason that animal shelters refuse to allow people to adobt black cats around Halloween time.



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16 Dec 2018, 9:23 am

TW1ZTY wrote:
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^ Yep I agree with that.

Also this one is worth a mention. People think that the men and women who were accused of witchcraft in Salem, Massachusetts were burned at the stake but that's not how they were executed at all. Most of them were hanged.

Despite the fact that I love the idea of witches in fantasy I kind of hate it when I see movies and TV shows that make the "witches" of Salem seem like actual evil witches and that the people killing them were heroes.

NONE of the people who were ever killed for witchcraft were actually witches! The witchhunts were a very terrible thing that caused the deaths of many innocent people because back then people were stupid and had more superstitions and zealotic religous beliefs than knowledge or common sense.

It really bugs me how people seem to mock what happened to those poor people in Salem and any other country that actually did witchhunts. :roll:


Back in college, I recall studying about the Salem witch trials in an anthropology class. Taken into account was the religious zeal of the pre-industrial west, the very real acceptance of invisible beings, as well as the sense of isolation in the early American settlements, and certain resentments that were kept restrained till it reached a boiling point. What culminated from all this manifested itself as a mass dissociative state among a group of young girls who came to suffer from the same delusion of being bewitched. The same kind of thing can be found even today in mostly third world societies, though culturally marginalized groups in the west occasionally have an outbreak of dissociative behaviors and delusions.


Yeah that's very true. Superstitions can make people do crazy things even in developed countries. Like the people who actually torture and kill black cats because they think they are evil and unlucky. That's the reason that animal shelters refuse to allow people to adobt black cats around Halloween time.


I actually own a black cat who I named Lovecraft.


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16 Dec 2018, 9:26 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
^ Yep I agree with that.

Also this one is worth a mention. People think that the men and women who were accused of witchcraft in Salem, Massachusetts were burned at the stake but that's not how they were executed at all. Most of them were hanged.

Despite the fact that I love the idea of witches in fantasy I kind of hate it when I see movies and TV shows that make the "witches" of Salem seem like actual evil witches and that the people killing them were heroes.

NONE of the people who were ever killed for witchcraft were actually witches! The witchhunts were a very terrible thing that caused the deaths of many innocent people because back then people were stupid and had more superstitions and zealotic religous beliefs than knowledge or common sense.

It really bugs me how people seem to mock what happened to those poor people in Salem and any other country that actually did witchhunts. :roll:


Back in college, I recall studying about the Salem witch trials in an anthropology class. Taken into account was the religious zeal of the pre-industrial west, the very real acceptance of invisible beings, as well as the sense of isolation in the early American settlements, and certain resentments that were kept restrained till it reached a boiling point. What culminated from all this manifested itself as a mass dissociative state among a group of young girls who came to suffer from the same delusion of being bewitched. The same kind of thing can be found even today in mostly third world societies, though culturally marginalized groups in the west occasionally have an outbreak of dissociative behaviors and delusions.


Yeah that's very true. Superstitions can make people do crazy things even in developed countries. Like the people who actually torture and kill black cats because they think they are evil and unlucky. That's the reason that animal shelters refuse to allow people to adobt black cats around Halloween time.


I actually own a black cat who I named Lovecraft.


Me too. :cat: I named him Friday after Friday the 13th (the unlucky day not the movie). 8)



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16 Dec 2018, 9:56 am

Lovecraft and Friday are both pretty cool cat names. I have read most of Lovecraft's short stories.

Here, Black Cat is the most popular brand of peanut butter. The logo obviously being one...


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16 Dec 2018, 10:11 am

envirozentinel wrote:
Lovecraft and Friday are both pretty cool cat names. I have read most of Lovecraft's short stories.

Here, Black Cat is the most popular brand of peanut butter. The logo obviously being one...

Who doesn't love peanut butter? :D

I like the crunchy kind myself. 8)



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16 Dec 2018, 1:09 pm

TW1ZTY wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
^ Yep I agree with that.

Also this one is worth a mention. People think that the men and women who were accused of witchcraft in Salem, Massachusetts were burned at the stake but that's not how they were executed at all. Most of them were hanged.

Despite the fact that I love the idea of witches in fantasy I kind of hate it when I see movies and TV shows that make the "witches" of Salem seem like actual evil witches and that the people killing them were heroes.

NONE of the people who were ever killed for witchcraft were actually witches! The witchhunts were a very terrible thing that caused the deaths of many innocent people because back then people were stupid and had more superstitions and zealotic religous beliefs than knowledge or common sense.

It really bugs me how people seem to mock what happened to those poor people in Salem and any other country that actually did witchhunts. :roll:


Back in college, I recall studying about the Salem witch trials in an anthropology class. Taken into account was the religious zeal of the pre-industrial west, the very real acceptance of invisible beings, as well as the sense of isolation in the early American settlements, and certain resentments that were kept restrained till it reached a boiling point. What culminated from all this manifested itself as a mass dissociative state among a group of young girls who came to suffer from the same delusion of being bewitched. The same kind of thing can be found even today in mostly third world societies, though culturally marginalized groups in the west occasionally have an outbreak of dissociative behaviors and delusions.


Yeah that's very true. Superstitions can make people do crazy things even in developed countries. Like the people who actually torture and kill black cats because they think they are evil and unlucky. That's the reason that animal shelters refuse to allow people to adobt black cats around Halloween time.


I actually own a black cat who I named Lovecraft.


Me too. :cat: I named him Friday after Friday the 13th (the unlucky day not the movie). 8)


8)


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16 Dec 2018, 1:10 pm

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Lovecraft and Friday are both pretty cool cat names. I have read most of Lovecraft's short stories.

Here, Black Cat is the most popular brand of peanut butter. The logo obviously being one...


8)


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16 Dec 2018, 2:34 pm

TW1ZTY wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
Lovecraft and Friday are both pretty cool cat names. I have read most of Lovecraft's short stories.

Here, Black Cat is the most popular brand of peanut butter. The logo obviously being one...

Who doesn't love peanut butter? :D

People that are allergic to it.


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16 Dec 2018, 3:00 pm

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TW1ZTY wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
Lovecraft and Friday are both pretty cool cat names. I have read most of Lovecraft's short stories.

Here, Black Cat is the most popular brand of peanut butter. The logo obviously being one...

Who doesn't love peanut butter? :D

People that are allergic to it.

I'm glad I'm not allergic to it then. :mrgreen:



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26 Dec 2018, 12:57 am

Another misconception about prison camps during the American Civil War is that the Confederate camps like Andersonville were so inhumane to their prisoners (which they were) but the Union camps were much more fair and treated their prisoners better. Obviously these people who think or say this have never heard of Elmira

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elmira_Prison

They starved many Confederate prisoners and forced them to live in dirty tents where they froze to death or died of disease and malnutrition due to the fact that they were from the warmer states and were not used to the harsh cold winter conditions up north. Also people in town would actually pay money just to gawk at these prisoners like they were a carnival attraction.

That's not exactly what I'd call "humane". :roll:



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29 Dec 2018, 8:53 am

Honestly when it comes to the American Civil War I really don't understand why the Union fought so hard to keep the Rebels from succeeding when they never even liked the South. They have always had contempt for us even before the war happened, and they continue to feel that way about us today (how many times do they call us names like "hicks", "rednecks", "hillbillies", "inbreds", "white trash", etc).

I don't believe that the war was ever really about keeping the country together or racial equality, I think it was about money and power just like every damn war that the US ever fought. The North wanted to keep exploiting the South by making us pay high taxes on our crops and they used the attitudes towards slavery as propaganda to encourage the war. So after loosing the war we go down in history as the evil racist rednecks but every horrible thing that they ever did to us like abusing and starving Confederate POWs or attacking civilians while burning down towns and cities like Atlanta gets swept under the rug. :roll:



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29 Dec 2018, 9:05 am

History is usually written by the victors.

Propagandists purposely overlook stuff they don't want to include.


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29 Dec 2018, 9:11 am

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History is usually written by the victors.

Propagandists purposely overlook stuff they don't want to include.

I agree, it's very unfair but true.