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11 Nov 2019, 8:40 am

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Are you going to live in a state of anger about with Americans because of what a few Americans do?


When they don't suffer any consequences for it, yes.



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11 Nov 2019, 8:41 am

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one nuke was necessary, two was too much (IIRC the japanese government was already moving to surrender before the second bomb dropped)


B.S. They had agreed to surrender before the first bomb.



How? Where's the document? I would like to read it. Can you tell me where it's located? It's part of history, it should be available to the public.


Go to the war memorial at Hiroshima.


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11 Nov 2019, 8:42 am

I'm not "suffering any consequences" for what a few nutty soldiers do.



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11 Nov 2019, 8:47 am

What got you all wound up this morning, anyway?



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11 Nov 2019, 8:49 am

I guess the fact that I'm such a 'drama queen'.
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11 Nov 2019, 8:49 am

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Whenever something like this gets exposed on the news the 'average American' will act shocked for 10 minutes and then go back to their lives like nothing ever happened.



What exactly is going on in this picture?

What do you do, Twizty? Do you crash your car through the walls to stop it?
What am I supposed to do? I'm against torture.


To answer your first question: rape and torture.

So I'm supposed to just keep quiet about the many atrocious things our country has done because I myself can't drive a car through a wall to stop it? Because I'm such a 'drama queen' and it inconviences people like you who don't want to admit to themselves how truly powerless they really are in this so-called "Land of the Free"?



Rape? Torture? Where? I see a bunch of bare assed men building a cheerleading pyramid. Now, the other pictures you posted seem torturous. I am against torture. You are introducing a new topic into this thread and the initial comment you made, which is fine. Except you're only just now asking me or others how we feel about torture. Again, I'm against it. And for the second or third time, I lost count actually, me calling you dramatic has nothing to do with convictions. I think convictions are great. I might not agree with how you reached your idea of the convictions you hold, but I believe you are passionate about people you feel bad for. That's one of the reasons why I like you.

What I do find dramatic is the way you flounce out of a conversations SCREAMING at me, in ALL CAPS, when I present to you contrasting sides. That's all I find dramatic about you. Not your convictions...

Unlike John Powell, who I hate, because every stance he takes is simply a contrary one.


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11 Nov 2019, 8:52 am

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I'm not "suffering any consequences" for what a few nutty soldiers do.


It's not that I want you to suffer for it, I'd rather the soldiers have been properly punished for it. But since the ones from WW2 are all dead now it aint gonna happen.

The ones responsible for Abu Ghraib are still around though... I bet I could find countless other modern examples of the US doing this kind of thing if I searched through google.



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11 Nov 2019, 8:53 am

JohnPowell wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
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one nuke was necessary, two was too much (IIRC the japanese government was already moving to surrender before the second bomb dropped)


B.S. They had agreed to surrender before the first bomb.



How? Where's the document? I would like to read it. Can you tell me where it's located? It's part of history, it should be available to the public.


Go to the war memorial at Hiroshima.


Are you fekkin kidding me? Where in the US can I view these documents?

You go to Palestine, join the rebels and report back.


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11 Nov 2019, 8:53 am

Twizty doesn't like the things that American soldiers have done recently, as ordered by those of higher command. I don't like these things, either.

But the solution is not to get all upset about it. The solution is to seek to change it legally. Nothing wrong with peaceful protest, with signs and all that.

People like Thurgood Marshall and Martin Luther King were SMART. They didn't get all angry, even though they were angry. They actually DID SOMETHING. They were smart about it. They did it the legal way (though, in the case of King, with some nonviolent "civil disobedience."

Do you feel that getting all angry, going on a rampage, will be of any use?



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11 Nov 2019, 8:57 am

THREE DAYS is a long time, that's how many days passed between the two atomic bombs dropped on Japan. TWO WEEKS is a long time, that how many weeks passed after the Potsdam request for Japanese surrender. THREE YEARS, roughly 7 mos is how many years that passed between Pearl Harbor and Potsdam.


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11 Nov 2019, 8:58 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Twizty doesn't like the things that American soldiers have done recently, as ordered by those of higher command. I don't like these things, either.

But the solution is not to get all upset about it. The solution is to seek to change it legally. Nothing wrong with peaceful protest, with signs and all that.

People like Thurgood Marshall and Martin Luther King were SMART. They didn't get all angry, even though they were angry. They actually DID SOMETHING. They were smart about it. They did it the legal way (though, in the case of King, with some nonviolent "civil disobedience."

Do you feel that getting all angry, going on a rampage, will be of any use?


I like Twizty. He's flawed, but so am I.


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11 Nov 2019, 9:10 am

I like him, too.

But he should gain some perspective. Just like I have to gain some perspective sometimes.



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11 Nov 2019, 9:17 am

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I like him, too.

But he should gain some perspective. Just like I have to gain some perspective sometimes.


And I like you too, Kortie! :heart:


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11 Nov 2019, 9:18 am

Persephone29 wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Twizty doesn't like the things that American soldiers have done recently, as ordered by those of higher command. I don't like these things, either.

But the solution is not to get all upset about it. The solution is to seek to change it legally. Nothing wrong with peaceful protest, with signs and all that.

People like Thurgood Marshall and Martin Luther King were SMART. They didn't get all angry, even though they were angry. They actually DID SOMETHING. They were smart about it. They did it the legal way (though, in the case of King, with some nonviolent "civil disobedience."

Do you feel that getting all angry, going on a rampage, will be of any use?







I like Twizty. He's flawed, but so am I.




Most of us are, you know. The best folk are those who are aware of it, acknowledge it and try to change for the better. And I wonder if a good many of those responsible for terrible abuses during war, regret it later when they have their own families, or do they suppress and deny all memory of it?


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11 Nov 2019, 9:37 am

You know something, if I myself was a victim of a war crime I really would not give a damn if the soldiers who hurt me or my family 'regretted it'.

But that's just me. :shrug:



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11 Nov 2019, 9:38 am

Now wait.....I don't give a damn if they "regretted it."

They should be punished, accordingly.