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13 Jan 2020, 5:04 pm

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I don't know anything about The Guardian. I don't think it's an online satire pseudo news site like The Onion is where they purposely fabricate fake stories to appear to be factual:

NHS rationing putting hernia patients' lives at risk, say surgeons

I had a hernia surgery earlier this year. The surgery took place less than four weeks after my consult with the surgeon which took less than two weeks after meeting with my General Practitioner who recommended I have the surgery. The cost of the surgery was part of my health insurance deductible so I paid a fraction of the overall cost of the surgery.

Healthcare rationing isn't a good thing.

I noticed some good UK jobs come with "private health insurance"

https://www.cv-library.co.uk/job/211480 ... ng-Manager

What can you look forward to?
Above market Salary - £75,000 + 35% Bonus
Flexible Working
Pension
Private Medical Insurance
Life Insurance and Income Protection
Training and development
Holiday allowance 26 days plus 8 bank holidays
Leeds city centre office location
Team social events and Office Snacks
+ Many more

Why would anyone *Look Forward to* private health insurance, when they have the NHS?

No one is saying NHS is better tham private insurance.
We're saying NHS is better tham nothing for those who don't make £75,000 per year.


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13 Jan 2020, 6:51 pm

I'm getting the impression from some unnamed WP members that in the end, they need someone below them to feel superior to for being "have nots." And while this is doubtlessly an oversimplification, the best way to keep certain people "have nots" is to deprive them of the means to live adequately so they can be blamed for their own poverty.


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14 Jan 2020, 12:00 am

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I'm getting the impression from some unnamed WP members that in the end, they need someone below them to feel superior to for being "have nots." And while this is doubtlessly an oversimplification, the best way to keep certain people "have nots" is to deprive them of the means to live adequately so they can be blamed for their own poverty.

there is a whole political party exclusively for that type of people.



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14 Jan 2020, 12:51 am

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I'm getting the impression from some unnamed WP members that in the end, they need someone below them to feel superior to for being "have nots." And while this is doubtlessly an oversimplification, the best way to keep certain people "have nots" is to deprive them of the means to live adequately so they can be blamed for their own poverty.

there is a whole political party exclusively for that type of people.


I don't doubt that. Too bad the poor people in said party aren't wise to it.


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14 Jan 2020, 12:54 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I'm getting the impression from some unnamed WP members that in the end, they need someone below them to feel superior to for being "have nots." And while this is doubtlessly an oversimplification, the best way to keep certain people "have nots" is to deprive them of the means to live adequately so they can be blamed for their own poverty.

there is a whole political party exclusively for that type of people.


I don't doubt that. Too bad the poor people in said party aren't wise to it.

furthermore, those same people are just fine with being treated like crap by the GOPers above them, so long as they ca see that everybody else is treated even worse. that is classical "cut off your nose to spite your face" right there.



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14 Jan 2020, 9:31 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
Magna wrote:
I don't know anything about The Guardian. I don't think it's an online satire pseudo news site like The Onion is where they purposely fabricate fake stories to appear to be factual:

NHS rationing putting hernia patients' lives at risk, say surgeons

I had a hernia surgery earlier this year. The surgery took place less than four weeks after my consult with the surgeon which took less than two weeks after meeting with my General Practitioner who recommended I have the surgery. The cost of the surgery was part of my health insurance deductible so I paid a fraction of the overall cost of the surgery.

Healthcare rationing isn't a good thing.

I noticed some good UK jobs come with "private health insurance"

https://www.cv-library.co.uk/job/211480 ... ng-Manager

What can you look forward to?
Above market Salary - £75,000 + 35% Bonus
Flexible Working
Pension
Private Medical Insurance
Life Insurance and Income Protection
Training and development
Holiday allowance 26 days plus 8 bank holidays
Leeds city centre office location
Team social events and Office Snacks
+ Many more

Why would anyone *Look Forward to* private health insurance, when they have the NHS?

No one is saying NHS is better tham private insurance.
We're saying NHS is better tham nothing for those who don't make £75,000 per year.

People on the left want to take away our private health insurance and replace it with lower quality government insurance.


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14 Jan 2020, 9:38 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
I'm getting the impression from some unnamed WP members that in the end, they need someone below them to feel superior to for being "have nots." And while this is doubtlessly an oversimplification, the best way to keep certain people "have nots" is to deprive them of the means to live adequately so they can be blamed for their own poverty.



Or, you could get a job and join us. There's plenty of room for you. You don't want that though, you want to be a 'starving artist' (your words, not mine), but then blame someone else because you starve. If you are disabled, get disability and your medicare will kick in in like two years. Problem solved...


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14 Jan 2020, 5:47 pm

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I'm getting the impression from some unnamed WP members that in the end, they need someone below them to feel superior to for being "have nots." And while this is doubtlessly an oversimplification, the best way to keep certain people "have nots" is to deprive them of the means to live adequately so they can be blamed for their own poverty.



Or, you could get a job and join us. There's plenty of room for you. You don't want that though, you want to be a 'starving artist' (your words, not mine), but then blame someone else because you starve. If you are disabled, get disability and your medicare will kick in in like two years. Problem solved...


Madame, I will have you know that I have held jobs for much of my adult life, mostly doing light industrial labor, or washing pots and pans. I did pay into social security. I did live with my mother when most of my friends had moved out, because I would have been even more of the working poor than I already was. And I know people of a conservative streak tend to look down on other people who are poorer than them. Don't assume I've never worked before, or am just unjustifiably prejudice against conservatives.
I am a starving artist because my wife believes in my writing, even when I didn't. I wouldn't be doing this without her okay.


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14 Jan 2020, 6:42 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I'm getting the impression from some unnamed WP members that in the end, they need someone below them to feel superior to for being "have nots." And while this is doubtlessly an oversimplification, the best way to keep certain people "have nots" is to deprive them of the means to live adequately so they can be blamed for their own poverty.



Or, you could get a job and join us. There's plenty of room for you. You don't want that though, you want to be a 'starving artist' (your words, not mine), but then blame someone else because you starve. If you are disabled, get disability and your medicare will kick in in like two years. Problem solved...


Madame, I will have you know that I have held jobs for much of my adult life, mostly doing light industrial labor, or washing pots and pans. I did pay into social security. I did live with my mother when most of my friends had moved out, because I would have been even more of the working poor than I already was. And I know people of a conservative streak tend to look down on other people who are poorer than them. Don't assume I've never worked before, or am just unjustifiably prejudice against conservatives.
I am a starving artist because my wife believes in my writing, even when I didn't. I wouldn't be doing this without her okay.



I applaud you. Then you are satisfied with where you are. There is no more that anyone of us could hope for.


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16 Jan 2020, 5:16 am

TheRobotLives wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
Magna wrote:
I don't know anything about The Guardian. I don't think it's an online satire pseudo news site like The Onion is where they purposely fabricate fake stories to appear to be factual:

NHS rationing putting hernia patients' lives at risk, say surgeons

I had a hernia surgery earlier this year. The surgery took place less than four weeks after my consult with the surgeon which took less than two weeks after meeting with my General Practitioner who recommended I have the surgery. The cost of the surgery was part of my health insurance deductible so I paid a fraction of the overall cost of the surgery.

Healthcare rationing isn't a good thing.

I noticed some good UK jobs come with "private health insurance"

https://www.cv-library.co.uk/job/211480 ... ng-Manager

What can you look forward to?
Above market Salary - £75,000 + 35% Bonus
Flexible Working
Pension
Private Medical Insurance
Life Insurance and Income Protection
Training and development
Holiday allowance 26 days plus 8 bank holidays
Leeds city centre office location
Team social events and Office Snacks
+ Many more

Why would anyone *Look Forward to* private health insurance, when they have the NHS?

No one is saying NHS is better tham private insurance.
We're saying NHS is better tham nothing for those who don't make £75,000 per year.

People on the left want to take away our private health insurance and replace it with lower quality government insurance.

Sounds awful. My country has a better system. Universal healthcare but private insurance exists if you want a higher quality of healthcare (private hospital room, etc). If you get insurance you get a tax break because you're no longer using the public health system.


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16 Jan 2020, 5:17 am

auntblabby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I'm getting the impression from some unnamed WP members that in the end, they need someone below them to feel superior to for being "have nots." And while this is doubtlessly an oversimplification, the best way to keep certain people "have nots" is to deprive them of the means to live adequately so they can be blamed for their own poverty.

there is a whole political party exclusively for that type of people.


I don't doubt that. Too bad the poor people in said party aren't wise to it.

furthermore, those same people are just fine with being treated like crap by the GOPers above them, so long as they ca see that everybody else is treated even worse. that is classical "cut off your nose to spite your face" right there.

It amazes me how people can act macho and be sycophants at the same time.


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16 Jan 2020, 5:20 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I'm getting the impression from some unnamed WP members that in the end, they need someone below them to feel superior to for being "have nots." And while this is doubtlessly an oversimplification, the best way to keep certain people "have nots" is to deprive them of the means to live adequately so they can be blamed for their own poverty.

there is a whole political party exclusively for that type of people.


I don't doubt that. Too bad the poor people in said party aren't wise to it.

furthermore, those same people are just fine with being treated like crap by the GOPers above them, so long as they ca see that everybody else is treated even worse. that is classical "cut off your nose to spite your face" right there.

It amazes me how people can act macho and be sycophants at the same time.

yanks be crazy.



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16 Jan 2020, 6:52 am

auntblabby wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I'm getting the impression from some unnamed WP members that in the end, they need someone below them to feel superior to for being "have nots." And while this is doubtlessly an oversimplification, the best way to keep certain people "have nots" is to deprive them of the means to live adequately so they can be blamed for their own poverty.

there is a whole political party exclusively for that type of people.


I don't doubt that. Too bad the poor people in said party aren't wise to it.

furthermore, those same people are just fine with being treated like crap by the GOPers above them, so long as they ca see that everybody else is treated even worse. that is classical "cut off your nose to spite your face" right there.

It amazes me how people can act macho and be sycophants at the same time.

yanks be crazy.

And that's why the left loses elections.


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16 Jan 2020, 11:14 am

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And I know people of a conservative streak tend to look down on other people who are poorer than them. Don't assume I've never worked before, or am just unjustifiably prejudice against conservatives.

Conservatives want to help people.

They want to turn welfare into workfare.

It might seem condescending when a successful person offers you advice on how to be successful.

However, they just want to help you.


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^ And, since you declined to answer my question, I went and banned your other account as you're only allowed to have one on WP. If you make anymore sock-puppets, you'll be banned entirely.


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16 Jan 2020, 3:17 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:
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And I know people of a conservative streak tend to look down on other people who are poorer than them. Don't assume I've never worked before, or am just unjustifiably prejudice against conservatives.

Conservatives want to help people.

They want to turn welfare into workfare.

It might seem condescending when a successful person offers you advice on how to be successful.

However, they just want to help you.


While I'm sure there are conservatives like that, it can't seriously be said that all conservatives are so kindhearted. The conservatives I'm talking about don't want their money "wasted" on government programs that help the poor to work, or in any way. They are real. I have talked to them.


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