Bradleigh wrote:
@ dorkseid
What is your goal? Do you just want to get people to stop identifying as feminists? Do you want people to hate feminists? What do you identify with? If it is just gender equality, then do you have a particular movement that you would consider yourself a part of?
It can be pretty easy to be just against something, being for and defending something can be harder. Does the harm from bad feminists outweigh by the good of good feminists?
I take issue with feminism as it is currently practiced. Feminists often say hateful things about men and justify it by making sweeping generalizations. I read a story online about a mother whom was told by a mob of feminists to neglect her son because he's just a future rapist. And then whenever they're called out they hide behind the front of "fighting for equality" and drown out all criticism with blanket strawman accusations of misogyny. No movement, no matter how well intentioned, should be exempt from criticism.
Why do I have to identify with
anything if I don't want to? Why should I have to label myself to appease you?!
The good done for one class of people does not justify the bigotry directed at another. It is possible to advocate for women's rights without attacking all men. Your whole point is absurd.
OutsideView wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I find that it encourages people to feel like victims within multiple contexts.
Not that I think it's good for people to feel like victims but saying "women are under-privileged*" might work out better than saying "men are privileged". Privileged makes it sound like men are the enemy because they have something they shouldn't. Saying women are under-privileged leaves men as "average" therefore making it easier to consider autistic men as under-privileged too, if that makes sense? Then the feminists could see dorkseid as someone else who might need help with some issues rather than as a privileged enemy who needs taking down a peg. Of course the ones he's come into contact with might just hate men anyway so it wouldn't make a difference.
*Using "under-privileged" here because I can't think of a better word.
I've personally been told by feminists that my ASD, anxiety disorder, depression, and history of physical and psychological abuse have no bearing on my privileged status. And that being unemployed and homeless is my own fault because I'm too lazy to hold a job.
This nuanced interpretation of intersectionalism you hold is not the one that's being used in the popular discourse. Operah Winfrey (whom I remind you has a net worth of $2.6 Billion) said white people always have a leg up, no matter how poor they are.
The erasure of white poverty, and especially male white poverty, is a popular talking point in intersectional feminism.
Btw, men are also under-privileged in a number of ways:
- Men have lower average lifespans than women.
- Men are systemically pressured to achieve above average financial success.
- Men are systemically discriminated against in child custody cases.
- The vast majority of homeless individuals are men.
- The rate of male suicides is skyrocketing.
- 90% of work-related deaths are men.
- Sexual and domestic violence against men and boys is often overlooked or ignored and is rarely discussed, despite being common.
- Most domestic abuse shelters only accept women and children. Only two domestic violence shelters for men exist in the US.
- Men make up the vast majority of combat fatalities. The death of men in war is normalized.
- Violence against men is common place and frequent. But unless it's a politically charged situation (like police violence against African Americans) it is overlooked and normalized.
- Men are treated as deposable assets, often sent to die in wars or work dangerous jobs like mining. This phenomenon is known in sociology as "male disposability" or "male expendability". Look it up.
- Whenever there's a disaster, rescuers always call out "women and children first!".
Not only do feminists frequently dismiss and deny these issues; they actively protest and shut down anyone else who attempted to shed light on these matters.
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19 Feb 2021, 7:48 am
