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10 Mar 2022, 9:47 am

This probably will affect the Russian economy more than it would affect ours (in the US).



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10 Mar 2022, 9:51 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
This probably will affect the Russian economy more than it would affect ours (in the US).


But if you assasssinate Putin and his co-conspirators, then it wouldn't have to affect anyone and we can stop the economy collapse hopefully, rather than just accept it on both sides.



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10 Mar 2022, 9:56 am

Assassinating Putin, although quite tempting, wouldn't be a wise thing to do in general.

It would set a REALLY bad precedent.

It would result in it being "open season" on Biden and other world leaders.



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10 Mar 2022, 10:00 am

But other countries were willing to work together to drop atomic bombs to stop Japan from invading other nations though. Those people accepted it could be open season for them but yet they still did it. I am just talking about assassinations and not dropping nuclear bombs, which of course would be worse.

But also, punishing innocent Russian citizens by bringing down their economy does not sound like the answer either. Isn't best to go after the man responsible rather than punish innocent citizens?



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10 Mar 2022, 10:12 am

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But other countries were willing to work together to drop atomic bombs to stop Japan from invading other nations though.
The bombs in Japan were dropped when only US had nuclear technology. So, they couldn't start an open season back then.

I'm pretty sure various assassins are hunting Putin while his secret services are protecting him.


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10 Mar 2022, 10:20 am

It would be best for the Russian people---sure.

But, in reality, it would be worse for the world as a whole if Putin was assassinated. It would set a very bad precedent. The "rule of international law" would be rendered useless.

Moreover, who's to say Putin's replacement might not be WORSE than Putin?



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10 Mar 2022, 10:23 am

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Moreover, who's to say Putin's replacement might not be WORSE than Putin?
Unfortunately, this is possible. There has been a historical precedent.

Without dismantling the system and deep social changes in Russia itself, removing the man on the top might not be enough.


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10 Mar 2022, 11:44 am

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Oh I see I apologize I thought you meant the religious Church, my mistake. But also, this would be an assassination during a time of war in order to stop a war so isn't that more justifiable compared to the CIA just killing people outside of a time of war?


It might be justifiable if the military carried it out, if it could be argued that Putin, as the leader of his country's military, is a soldier, but the CIA is actually a civilian organization (that has had human assets in the military)


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10 Mar 2022, 12:23 pm

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ironpony wrote:
Oh I see I apologize I thought you meant the religious Church, my mistake. But also, this would be an assassination during a time of war in order to stop a war so isn't that more justifiable compared to the CIA just killing people outside of a time of war?


It might be justifiable if the military carried it out, if it could be argued that Putin, as the leader of his country's military, is a soldier, but the CIA is actually a civilian organization (that has had human assets in the military)


Oh ok. I wasn't saying the CIA specifically, just whoever is best for it.



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10 Mar 2022, 12:25 pm

ironpony wrote:
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ironpony wrote:
Oh I see I apologize I thought you meant the religious Church, my mistake. But also, this would be an assassination during a time of war in order to stop a war so isn't that more justifiable compared to the CIA just killing people outside of a time of war?


It might be justifiable if the military carried it out, if it could be argued that Putin, as the leader of his country's military, is a soldier, but the CIA is actually a civilian organization (that has had human assets in the military)


Oh ok. I wasn't saying the CIA specifically, just whoever is best for it.


No matter what agency does it, it opens the door for retaliation in-kind.


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10 Mar 2022, 12:29 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
ironpony wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
ironpony wrote:
Oh I see I apologize I thought you meant the religious Church, my mistake. But also, this would be an assassination during a time of war in order to stop a war so isn't that more justifiable compared to the CIA just killing people outside of a time of war?


It might be justifiable if the military carried it out, if it could be argued that Putin, as the leader of his country's military, is a soldier, but the CIA is actually a civilian organization (that has had human assets in the military)


Oh ok. I wasn't saying the CIA specifically, just whoever is best for it.


No matter what agency does it, it opens the door for retaliation in-kind.


So if that's the case how does NATO stop the invasion then? And a way that will actually work?