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05 Jul 2022, 7:47 pm

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BTW for @IsabellaLinton and any other non-Americans: Access to disability support in the US doesn't increase or decrease as a direct function of which party is in power. The difference is that Democrats are more likely to sponsor legislation that expands the scope of such benefits. However existing benefits continue, by and large. Cutting off peoples' benefits doesn't get one re-elected. I am certain the same is true on most Western countries.


Thanks Max.
That's kind of what I thought.

I'd still like to hear from Right members:

- How do you feel about disability rights and benefits?
- Equal rights for men, women, and LGBTQ?
- Healthcare

etc.

I know that all Right members may not feel the same way as each other.

I just thought it would be better to hear it from Right members than to speculate and presume.


I’m not on the Right but my family and neighborhood is.

They are mostly fine with disability rights and benefits as they are. They think that if it were easier more people would “cheat the system.” They also think that if the money for SSI or SSDI were raised to a living wage more people would try to “cheat the system.” They worry about taxes going up and work ethic going down.

They think that they support equal rights but they are against abortion and gay marriage. Their stances here are based on their religious beliefs, which, on these specific issues, is not uncommon for the Right.

They do not want universal healthcare because it would raise taxes and they think that we would be in danger of becoming a communist country. When I try to point out other countries who have successfully implemented universal healthcare, they look for flaws in said countries. For example, according to them, there are such long waits to get necessary medical care in the UK that it’s a wonder any of you are alive. :lol:


Some of them do oppose gay marriage and abortion but there are some that believe the federal level of government should not say anything about it and that it should be the domain of the states or the people instead. Roe V. Wade didn't restrict the states to banning abortions like the huge misconception is, when Roe was originally implemented, it made abortion a federal responsibility.

Each state will continue to have different laws regarding restrictions of abortion and I certainly see no problem with that (the act is little different from murder under a different name, the only difference is that it is murder of a potential baby during the early developmental stages).

Personally, I believe it should be restricted to only the first weeks or months of a pregnancy. Beyond that, terminating it should be banned.



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05 Jul 2022, 8:09 pm

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Some of them do oppose gay marriage and abortion but there are some that believe the federal level of government should not say anything about it and that it should be the domain of the states or the people instead. Roe V. Wade didn't restrict the states to banning abortions like the huge misconception is, when Roe was originally implemented, it made abortion a federal responsibility.

Each state will continue to have different laws regarding restrictions of abortion and I certainly see no problem with that (the act is little different from murder under a different name, the only difference is that it is murder of a potential baby during the early developmental stages).

Personally, I believe it should be restricted to only the first weeks or months of a pregnancy. Beyond that, terminating it should be banned.


Thanks for your response and for explaining.

My question is, if the states are allowed to make their own decisions on such fundamental / big topics as abortion rights or the definition / charge of murder, doesn't that mean all Americans wouldn't be treated equally or have equal rights according to the Constitution?

I don't see how it should matter where you live. Everyone should have equal protection by one overriding law or philosophy.

I hate to say, but even if all the states banned abortion it would be more "equal" than having some allow it, and some not.

I understand that state governments might represent the sentiment of a majority of people / voters who live there, but that doesn't mean the other citizens should have different fundamental rights. That includes freedom of religious / irreligious beliefs, and freedom of bodily autonomy / agency.

If you deny freedom or civil rights to one person, you deny them to all.


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05 Jul 2022, 8:14 pm

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I’m not on the Right but my family and neighborhood is.

I'm definitely (and defiantly) on the Right. :D

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They are mostly fine with disability rights and benefits as they are. They think that if it were easier more people would “cheat the system.” They also think that if the money for SSI or SSDI were raised to a living wage more people would try to “cheat the system.” They worry about taxes going up and work ethic going down.

Yep, pretty much this in a nutshell.
I've actually known perfectly able slackers in real life who gamed the system to keep from having to make an honest living and it is infuriating. However, as much as Gestapo-like enforcement would be fun we'd end up throwing the baby out with the bathwater and we don't want that. Cheating is just one of the perils we have to live with in order to take care of those who actually need assistance.

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They think that they support equal rights but they are against abortion and gay marriage. Their stances here are based on their religious beliefs, which, on these specific issues, is not uncommon for the Right.

These are two really tough issues for a conservative holding Christian values to get past. I honestly don't know which is considered worse from a collective conservative perspective.
The greatest value of the recent Roe vs. Wade ruling was that it was a satisfying gut-punch to the left. Having said that, I see how it will become a problem in the states that have banned abortions. There will be illegal abortions and the crimes that always accompany any wide scale illegal enterprise. You can't just ban something that's been in place for so long and expect things to be all good. Use illicit drugs as one good example.

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They do not want universal healthcare because it would raise taxes and they think that we would be in danger of becoming a communist country. When I try to point out other countries who have successfully implemented universal healthcare, they look for flaws in said countries. For example, according to them, there are such long waits to get necessary medical care in the UK that it’s a wonder any of you are alive. :lol:

A few things here I could elaborate on, but the conservative consensus you  have found is close enough as far as I can tell. The camel's nose is already too far under the tent.

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Ones who lean on the right tend to be college graduates and they throw their own people under the bus and they wonder why they don't feel safe here?

Don't feel safe here as on WP?
What's there to fear? I've always been very open about my right wing political beliefs here to no ill effect. It may have ruffled the feathers of some others but never mine.


What do you mean by “the camel’s nose is already too far under the tent?”


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06 Jul 2022, 12:01 am

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Don't feel safe here as on WP?
What's there to fear? I've always been very open about my right wing political beliefs here to no ill effect. It may have ruffled the feathers of some others but never mine.


You might not have been around but I have seen some right wingers here complain about how this is a echo chamber or a leftist site and I have heard they were chased off this site because they felt attacked because people disagreed with their ideologies. They also felt attacked when people here would criticize right wing views. But yet neither of them ever consider maybe we feel the same about them when they express their ideologies that would harm us and go against us because their opinion holds power?


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06 Jul 2022, 12:09 am

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You might not have been around but I have seen some right wingers here complain about how this is a echo chamber or a leftist site and I have heard they were chased off this site because they felt attacked because people disagreed with their ideologies.


The so called "leftists" here don't sit around spouting Marxism or singing the praises of Lenin. Almost all the discussion from progressive voices are based on evidence based research and sound science. Not paranoia about replacement theories, wokeism or conspiracies spawned by right wing cults.



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06 Jul 2022, 12:45 am

The Divided States of Dystopia is going to make Nazi Germany look like a paradise because of the "right". Dogs and cats can get along with each other, I've seen videos where dogs that look like they would eat tiny kittens in one bite be gentle and friendly with them, but obviously humans cannot be this way. What a shock.



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06 Jul 2022, 12:48 am

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You might not have been around but I have seen some right wingers here complain about how this is a echo chamber or a leftist site and I have heard they were chased off this site because they felt attacked because people disagreed with their ideologies.


The so called "leftists" here don't sit around spouting Marxism or singing the praises of Lenin. Almost all the discussion from progressive voices are based on evidence based research and sound science. Not paranoia about replacement theories, wokeism or conspiracies spawned by right wing cults.



I remember few of them left this site because of white fragility. When Alex brought up we can all each other racist if it's quacks like a duck, these users acted like we can just call anyone racist anytime we wanted just because without any reason. "Oh you hate computer games, you are racist." That thread is still there in the wrongplanet.net section where we post about forum issues and post any concerns to the mods.


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06 Jul 2022, 12:50 am

lostonearth35 wrote:
The Divided States of Dystopia is going to make Nazi Germany look like a paradise because of the "right". Dogs and cats can get along with each other, I've seen videos where dogs that look like they would eat tiny kittens in one bite be gentle and friendly with them, but obviously humans cannot be this way. What a shock.


What? Nazi Germany was horrible, they sprouted propaganda on Jewish people and they killed a bunch of people and most of them were Jewish. I fail to see how this is even a paradise compared to now.


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06 Jul 2022, 2:55 am

Wrong Planet is a website primarily for those with mental health issues and disability particularly autism.

Logic dictates that people with these issues are likely to be poorer and in need of more public services than NTs

Traditionally the left have always been a cheerleader for such things either Labour Party in UK or Democratic Party in US.

Whether they really help is open to debate.

Also when the Berlin Wall fell the left moved away from traditional socialism into supporting minority groups instead.

You still occasionally get old school socialists popping up now and then like Corbin in the UK but generally the left is less about working class people than about minorities and big business

So that explains the lop sided political leaning on this site you may not find in wider society


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06 Jul 2022, 3:00 am

carlos55 wrote:
Wrong Planet is a website primarily for those with mental health issues and disability particularly autism.

Logic dictates that people with these issues are likely to be poorer and in need of more public services than NTs

Traditionally the left have always been a cheerleader for such things either Labour Party in UK or Democratic Party in US.

Whether they really help is open to debate.

So that explains the lip sided political leaning on this site you may not find in wider society


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06 Jul 2022, 3:02 am

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I remember few of them left this site because of white fragility. When Alex brought up we can all each other racist if it's quacks like a duck, these users acted like we can just call anyone racist anytime we wanted just because without any reason. "Oh you hate computer games, you are racist." That thread is still there in the wrongplanet.net section where we post about forum issues and post any concerns to the mods.


Those staunch conservatives that left took potshots on their way out.



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06 Jul 2022, 3:04 am

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carlos55 wrote:
Wrong Planet is a website primarily for those with mental health issues and disability particularly autism.

Logic dictates that people with these issues are likely to be poorer and in need of more public services than NTs

Traditionally the left have always been a cheerleader for such things either Labour Party in UK or Democratic Party in US.

Whether they really help is open to debate.

So that explains the lip sided political leaning on this site you may not find in wider society


Being in a lower SES bracket does not mean that a person can't learn. Education is a pathway to liberating one's mind.


Never said someone can’t learn but we are less likely to be rich and in a good job so will gravitate to political parties that claim they look out for us.


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06 Jul 2022, 3:08 am

carlos55 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
carlos55 wrote:
Wrong Planet is a website primarily for those with mental health issues and disability particularly autism.

Logic dictates that people with these issues are likely to be poorer and in need of more public services than NTs

Traditionally the left have always been a cheerleader for such things either Labour Party in UK or Democratic Party in US.

Whether they really help is open to debate.

So that explains the lip sided political leaning on this site you may not find in wider society


Being in a lower SES bracket does not mean that a person can't learn. Education is a pathway to liberating one's mind.


Never said someone can’t learn but we are less likely to be rich and in a good job so will gravitate to political parties that claim they look out for us.


I wonder how many poor people who voted for Trump became wealthier as a result?



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06 Jul 2022, 6:52 am

Twilightprincess wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
I’m not on the Right but my family and neighborhood is.

I'm definitely (and defiantly) on the Right. :D

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They are mostly fine with disability rights and benefits as they are. They think that if it were easier more people would “cheat the system.” They also think that if the money for SSI or SSDI were raised to a living wage more people would try to “cheat the system.” They worry about taxes going up and work ethic going down.

Yep, pretty much this in a nutshell.
I've actually known perfectly able slackers in real life who gamed the system to keep from having to make an honest living and it is infuriating. However, as much as Gestapo-like enforcement would be fun we'd end up throwing the baby out with the bathwater and we don't want that. Cheating is just one of the perils we have to live with in order to take care of those who actually need assistance.

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They think that they support equal rights but they are against abortion and gay marriage. Their stances here are based on their religious beliefs, which, on these specific issues, is not uncommon for the Right.

These are two really tough issues for a conservative holding Christian values to get past. I honestly don't know which is considered worse from a collective conservative perspective.
The greatest value of the recent Roe vs. Wade ruling was that it was a satisfying gut-punch to the left. Having said that, I see how it will become a problem in the states that have banned abortions. There will be illegal abortions and the crimes that always accompany any wide scale illegal enterprise. You can't just ban something that's been in place for so long and expect things to be all good. Use illicit drugs as one good example.

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They do not want universal healthcare because it would raise taxes and they think that we would be in danger of becoming a communist country. When I try to point out other countries who have successfully implemented universal healthcare, they look for flaws in said countries. For example, according to them, there are such long waits to get necessary medical care in the UK that it’s a wonder any of you are alive. :lol:

A few things here I could elaborate on, but the conservative consensus you  have found is close enough as far as I can tell. The camel's nose is already too far under the tent.

League_Girl wrote:

Ones who lean on the right tend to be college graduates and they throw their own people under the bus and they wonder why they don't feel safe here?

Don't feel safe here as on WP?
What's there to fear? I've always been very open about my right wing political beliefs here to no ill effect. It may have ruffled the feathers of some others but never mine.


What do you mean by “the camel’s nose is already too far under the tent?”


The camel's nose is a metaphor for a situation where the permitting of a small, seemingly innocuous act will open the door for larger, clearly undesirable actions.


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06 Jul 2022, 6:55 am

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Don't feel safe here as on WP?
What's there to fear? I've always been very open about my right wing political beliefs here to no ill effect. It may have ruffled the feathers of some others but never mine.


You might t not have been around but I have seen some right wingers here complain about how this is a echo chamber or a leftist site and I have heard they were chased off this site because they felt attacked because people disagreed with their ideologies. They also felt attacked when people here would criticize right wing views. But yet neither of them ever consider maybe we feel the same about them when they express their ideologies that would harm us and go against us because their opinion holds power?


But all real Americans love the sting and clash of battle. :twisted:


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06 Jul 2022, 9:04 am

Raptor wrote:
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Don't feel safe here as on WP?
What's there to fear? I've always been very open about my right wing political beliefs here to no ill effect. It may have ruffled the feathers of some others but never mine.


You might t not have been around but I have seen some right wingers here complain about how this is a echo chamber or a leftist site and I have heard they were chased off this site because they felt attacked because people disagreed with their ideologies. They also felt attacked when people here would criticize right wing views. But yet neither of them ever consider maybe we feel the same about them when they express their ideologies that would harm us and go against us because their opinion holds power?


But all real Americans love the sting and clash of battle. :twisted:

Who appointed you the authority for what "real Americans" love?


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