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13 Aug 2007, 12:03 pm
Sopho wrote:
Sopho wrote:
So yeah, I wouldn't say I'm gay myself, but to avoid getting conversations away from the point and onto my gender identity, I just stick to the gay/straight thing.
And that in itself should actually show I haven't 'chosen' to be transgendered as some attention-seeking thing.
And Hadron, you seem to throw that out a lot. Mostly when you're obviously losing an argument. I guess it's easier to just accuse everyone else of attention seeking, rather than getting some half decent points to support your side.
he likes to argue opinion for fact.
like there's so many gays in england it's negaitvely effecting birthrate
and there's so many convient loopholes to dodge any sort of proof to back up his bigotry.... like "it'd be un-pc say address the matter"
13 Aug 2007, 12:12 pm
Sedaka wrote:
like there's so many gays in england it's negaitvely effecting birthrate
Yeah, gay 'marriage' has been legal here for about 1 and a half years now. I don't see many bisexual people suddenly deciding to leave the different sex partner and marry someone of the same sex though, like he suggested would happen lol
13 Aug 2007, 12:20 pm
Sopho wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Ok, then. You overstated something, but its a moot point.
So if you dont see yourself as a woman, what do you see yourself as. A bit of both?
So if you dont see yourself as a woman, what do you see yourself as. A bit of both?
I'm not answering any more of your pointless questions on this, until you explain to me how it is a game.
Fair enough. If you are biologically a woman, you are one. (and the same for men). If you turn around and say/ act as if you are not, it comes across as attention seeking as therefore a game to many people. Plus, many people who decide to be transgendered are doing it as a game, for example cross dressers and so on. Obviously how much transgenderism is a game depends exactly what you mean by being transgender, there are stacks of interpretions on what it is or isnt.
OK, I'm not talking transgendered as in transvestites or cross dressers. You can't be biologically a man or woman; you are biologically male, female or both/neither. 'Man' and 'woman' are social constructs. I am not a woman. I didn't 'decide' to be transgendered, I just am. And I don't choose to act like I'm not a woman. I'm just myself. How is that attention-seeking?
You've just shown your ignorance on this subject. Well done, Hadron.
Oh and what is yourself? If you are being yourself then why do you need to attach another label to it? That is the attention seeking part, really.
13 Aug 2007, 12:24 pm
Hadron wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Ok, then. You overstated something, but its a moot point.
So if you dont see yourself as a woman, what do you see yourself as. A bit of both?
So if you dont see yourself as a woman, what do you see yourself as. A bit of both?
I'm not answering any more of your pointless questions on this, until you explain to me how it is a game.
Fair enough. If you are biologically a woman, you are one. (and the same for men). If you turn around and say/ act as if you are not, it comes across as attention seeking as therefore a game to many people. Plus, many people who decide to be transgendered are doing it as a game, for example cross dressers and so on. Obviously how much transgenderism is a game depends exactly what you mean by being transgender, there are stacks of interpretions on what it is or isnt.
OK, I'm not talking transgendered as in transvestites or cross dressers. You can't be biologically a man or woman; you are biologically male, female or both/neither. 'Man' and 'woman' are social constructs. I am not a woman. I didn't 'decide' to be transgendered, I just am. And I don't choose to act like I'm not a woman. I'm just myself. How is that attention-seeking?
You've just shown your ignorance on this subject. Well done, Hadron.
Oh and what is yourself? If you are being yourself then why do you need to attach another label to it? That is the attention seeking part, really.
If anything, I'm not. Everyone else identifies as straight, gay whatever. I don't identify as having any particular sexual orientation, OR gender. I'm saying I'm transgendered because it's a word which describes what I am, rather than going into it in great length just because you think it's attention seeking to use that word. Again, please find some better arguments than just 'attention seeking' every five minutes. It's getting boring.
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13 Aug 2007, 12:24 pm
Sopho wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
like there's so many gays in england it's negaitvely effecting birthrate
Yeah, gay 'marriage' has been legal here for about 1 and a half years now. I don't see many bisexual people suddenly deciding to leave the different sex partner and marry someone of the same sex though, like he suggested would happen lol
nor will he admit that the economic state of england and other countries was set into motion a long time ago (more than 1.5 DEFINITLEY at any rate) when being gay wasn't "fashionable" and therefore... there weren't that many gays to be hurting the economy..........
who knows... you cant argue opinion anymore than faith...
which is why they'll never change their mind
13 Aug 2007, 12:31 pm
13 Aug 2007, 12:44 pm
Sopho wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Ok, then. You overstated something, but its a moot point.
So if you dont see yourself as a woman, what do you see yourself as. A bit of both?
So if you dont see yourself as a woman, what do you see yourself as. A bit of both?
I'm not answering any more of your pointless questions on this, until you explain to me how it is a game.
Fair enough. If you are biologically a woman, you are one. (and the same for men). If you turn around and say/ act as if you are not, it comes across as attention seeking as therefore a game to many people. Plus, many people who decide to be transgendered are doing it as a game, for example cross dressers and so on. Obviously how much transgenderism is a game depends exactly what you mean by being transgender, there are stacks of interpretions on what it is or isnt.
OK, I'm not talking transgendered as in transvestites or cross dressers. You can't be biologically a man or woman; you are biologically male, female or both/neither. 'Man' and 'woman' are social constructs. I am not a woman. I didn't 'decide' to be transgendered, I just am. And I don't choose to act like I'm not a woman. I'm just myself. How is that attention-seeking?
You've just shown your ignorance on this subject. Well done, Hadron.
Oh and what is yourself? If you are being yourself then why do you need to attach another label to it? That is the attention seeking part, really.
If anything, I'm not. Everyone else identifies as straight, gay whatever. I don't identify as having any particular sexual orientation, OR gender. I'm saying I'm transgendered because it's a word which describes what I am, rather than going into it in great length just because you think it's attention seeking to use that word. Again, please find some better arguments than just 'attention seeking' every five minutes. It's getting boring.
Dont attention seek then we can move on from that. Otherwise we are just going to get stuck in a circle.
13 Aug 2007, 12:48 pm
13 Aug 2007, 12:51 pm
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13 Aug 2007, 1:21 pm
13 Aug 2007, 1:28 pm
Hadron wrote:
I am going to wait for others to fight there corner first
Maybe this kinda thing is why you didn't get into Oxford...
There's no 'can't be bothered' about anything with you. You keep on replying. If you put half the effort you spend accusing me of attention seeking, into coming up with some decent points, maybe we'd be getting somewhere.
You've lost again and again since you joined WP.
13 Aug 2007, 1:33 pm
Sopho wrote:
Hadron wrote:
I am going to wait for others to fight there corner first
Maybe this kinda thing is why you didn't get into Oxford...
There's no 'can't be bothered' about anything with you. You keep on replying. If you put half the effort you spend accusing me of attention seeking, into coming up with some decent points, maybe we'd be getting somewhere.
You've lost again and again since you joined WP.
I applied for maths dearie, so i dont think they would give a toss about my spag, let along on an internet forum. You didnt get into Oxford either, so dont try that one with me. As for responding to your posts, i was bored. Possibly drunk as well. If I posted any more good points you would just go on, "oh your bigoted", "thats s**t" and so on. When you open your mind a little I may come back and post something. Until then, enjoy your orgy.
13 Aug 2007, 1:38 pm
Hadron wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Hadron wrote:
I am going to wait for others to fight there corner first
Maybe this kinda thing is why you didn't get into Oxford...
There's no 'can't be bothered' about anything with you. You keep on replying. If you put half the effort you spend accusing me of attention seeking, into coming up with some decent points, maybe we'd be getting somewhere.
You've lost again and again since you joined WP.
I applied for maths dearie, so i dont think they would give a toss about my spag, let along on an internet forum. You didnt get into Oxford either, so dont try that one with me. As for responding to your posts, i was bored. Possibly drunk as well. If I posted any more good points you would just go on, "oh your bigoted", "thats sh**" and so on. When you open your mind a little I may come back and post something. Until then, enjoy your orgy.
lol Difference is: I'm not the one sitting here whining about how the only reason I didn't get into Oxford was because my daddy isn't rich.
And I know you applied for Maths; they still look at overall intelligence though. And spelling is important. If you don't know the difference between 'there,' 'their' and 'they're,' then you're not going to get into Oxford.
I didn't claim that you were bigoted, so why would you think I'd do that if you came up with any more points. You don't have any good ones. That's all it is. If you did, then you'd have posted them; you spent enough time posting as it was. I saw nothing I couldn't easily respond to.
And I don't think I'm the one that needs to open my mind a little. You're the one saying people choose to be gay and transgendered, and how I keep playing loads of games with my life, when you actually know very little about me.
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13 Aug 2007, 1:44 pm
Hadron wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Hadron wrote:
I am going to wait for others to fight there corner first
Maybe this kinda thing is why you didn't get into Oxford...
There's no 'can't be bothered' about anything with you. You keep on replying. If you put half the effort you spend accusing me of attention seeking, into coming up with some decent points, maybe we'd be getting somewhere.
You've lost again and again since you joined WP.
I applied for maths dearie, so i dont think they would give a toss about my spag, let along on an internet forum. You didnt get into Oxford either, so dont try that one with me. As for responding to your posts, i was bored. Possibly drunk as well. If I posted any more good points you would just go on, "oh your bigoted", "thats sh**" and so on. When you open your mind a little I may come back and post something. Until then, enjoy your orgy.
im the one calling you a bigot
