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skafather84
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02 Jun 2008, 1:18 pm

slowmutant wrote:

Is real magic not subject to reduction, then?

real magic??

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02 Jun 2008, 3:40 pm

Yes, real magic, but not the kind performed by David Copperfield or Criss Angel or David Blane. The magic that does exist, not the showy, phony-baloney showbiz kind of magic. I'm talking about miracles.

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02 Jun 2008, 3:42 pm

slowmutant wrote:

The magic that does exist,

uh.....what?

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02 Jun 2008, 5:47 pm

skafather84 wrote:

slowmutant wrote:

The magic that does exist,

uh.....what?

my thoughts exactly.

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02 Jun 2008, 10:31 pm

The concept of magic is that the laws of nature can be violated. It doesn't happen. The laws might not be understood and seeming violations occur but then the laws must be revised to accommodate the exceptions. But the laws are never violated. Otherwise, they would not be laws.

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02 Jun 2008, 10:41 pm

You can find magic in the everyday world if you look for it. Magic is more of a perceptual mode and a modified awareness than anything intrinsic to the universe being what it is. If you're determined not to find the miraculous and wondrous, you won't. IF you have a mundane outlook, you'll never have a magical experience. And that is not my fault.

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02 Jun 2008, 11:08 pm

Any deep perception of how intricately the basic laws of nature intertwine to produce jellyfish, spaceships, exploding stars, and poetry will find no need of so-called magic to be delighted with reality.

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03 Jun 2008, 1:07 am

Sand wrote:

Talking about poetry, I do like your poems Toenails and Cockroach Conquest.

In the context of free will not existing I'm beginning to get what jonk was talking about when describing how everything is connected, and yes, feels completely magic.

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