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SW do you delight in being obnoxious. I did not even slightly allude to thinking that the CT started with these two loons and yet you accuse me of it and roll your eyes. If you dont want you beliefs to be attacked dont post them with with nothing more than yours and others subjective beliefs, and expect us to accept them just because you say it is so.

What are these 'chemtrails' made of?

Vaporous oceans, esoteric potions and palimpsest notions.

There was a certain mindset in the world for a very long time. The demesne of night, the unsettled lands, the village over the hill.. were the domain of infernal powers. People believed in faeries, ghosts and that "the devil struts his wide estates", and they cleaved tight to their homes, churches and lords.

Now its come full circle and the authorities are those believed up to nefarious deeds. Sometimes they are said to be aliens in disguise.

Even then only certain people could "see the truth". They used feelings and instincts to codify the world. They connected things symbolically. For instance, the vapours of a rotting body could cause you to become evil, because rot was corruption of the perfect form devised by god. Likewise, an evil person would have physically twisted children.

Today, the people making these videos seem equally uninterested in subjective tests and more about emotive reasoning. For some reason, the memes of bogey-men, unspeakable acts and humors in the air causing madness, evil and pain have persisted.

I can also see it in the description of "the greys". Those supposed aliens sound a lot like old time descriptions of elves and faeries. Big eyes, Pale skin, thin bodies. They sometimes glow, they come down from the skies. They too spirit people away, replace them with changelings, dopplegangers, mark them, possess them and try to subvert society.

It seems to be taking them a very long time...

My field of study has nothing to do with entertainment; I'm a natural medicine student. Not sure where you got that one from??

To answer the question, I know a lot about a lot of things because unlike some, I'm curious about things and spend a lot of time reading about all manner of topics. The world is full of mystery, and I like to wonder at as much as I can.


Chever - there've been a few people who say they've analysed samples and come up with various minerals and mycotoxins, but they all seem a bit iffy so I'm not really sure I would believe much they say. I'm sure there are scientists who've done the same, I just don't think I've ever seen it. I'd love to know, though.

After all this, I'd just like to point out a couple of things:

1 - All you naysayers, have you actually read anything I've written? I'm asking what they are, who's doing them, what they're for.

2 - We already say we don't know, so stop asking for answers we've said we can't give

3 - How about, just for once, some kind of decent discussion rather than tearing other people to shreds because they believe something you don't. There seems to be a trend on this board at the moment for picking fights with and annoying other people for believing things you may not believe. We get it. You don't agree. That's fine. Stop arguing for the sake of arguing, because it's getting really boring. You're killing threads yet failing to provide any evidence that you're any more right or wrong - and who cares, really, who is correct? We won't find out because you're too busy being deliberately obtuse and argumentative rather than engaging in an actual discussion. If you can't be mature enough to have an actual discussion on the topic at hand - that means listening to and reading what other people have to say, acknowledging it, and then responding in kind - then don't even bother. This "I'm right and you're wrong because you're an idiot and only idiots believe that and you're stupid because you believe in this and that and [insert thing other person believes that they've never said - something you imagine them to believe] you're crazy and nutty and go wear a tinfoil hat because I'm right and that's that." is pathetic. Really.

Same s**t different day. I like to read your posts from the back to the front, like the Chinese. It's funnier that way.

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@ Lekiwi There may be a case to answer and I think you are coping some flack that really should be directed at SW. The point is you cannot go around just making up hypothesis without doing some major investigating. eg

1. Flight schedules may explain the criss cross patterns and will determine the various altitudes.

2. Environmental readings from the various altitudes

3. Readings from the ground to pick up any chemical fallout

I have briefly looked at some of the C T sites relating to this and all they have is supposition and conjecture, their claims have no factual support and I would suggest that before claims like these are made scientific support is required. Governments and Corporations have and will continue to do weird and bad things, to catch them at it requires diligence and provable evidence. I know its a movie but Erin Brockovich is a good example.

I too have an ADV DIP Health Sciences Naturopathy and I really hope you go about persuading non believers of the benefits of our branch of medicine in a more scientific and less emotive way

Making things up? I assure you that it is in fact a very real place with very real planes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/southyorkshire/con ... ture.shtml

It operated throughout the cold war, flying nuclear bombers. In more recent years it has changed hands and is now an International Airport. At one point I lived barely a mile from the end of the runway. I've seen the belly of the Vulcan in intricate detail. These days I can see face at the windows of 757s. I've been on the base. I went to school with children from the base. I know their parents. I know people who subsequently went on to find employment with the RAF. My family only lived in the house they did because they were placed there by the RAF, the better to work at RAF Lindholme nearby. My home-town was a chief link in the ww2 bomber command network. My father flew in Canberras. I have a good friend, who was best man at my wedding, who rewires Tornado fighter bombers for a living. Half my lessons at school were punctuated by the roar of engines. A good portion of my life has been spent gazing at various aaircraft from many nations cruising across the sky. Contrails I have seen... though not nearby because the planes aren't high enough to make them.

For that matter, despite all this, I've never seen nor heard of chemtrails, nor chemtrailing equipment, nor any such conspiracy. The only thing I have seen that comes close is the Red Arrows display team, who trail smoke. They do that from the base of their tails, which is completely unlike your average contrail.

We know that engine exhaust can cause smog - this is often brown or reddish-brown. The culprits there include nitric oxides and sulfur oxides, which are photo-catalyzed to other molecules. Last time I flew into Chicago, the whole city was covered with a greasy brown haze.

Why cant we focus on REAL conspiracies people??? Like the soviet sub that sank of Hawaii 40 years ago due to an missile launch attempt that went awry(it blew up inside of the missile tube)....

How do we know it is a conspiracy and not an accident? The explosion in a missile tube could have been caused by any number of factors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_sub ... 9_(Golf_II)

Part of the problem is that much of the data about the K-129 that was obtained by the U.S. navy remains Classified to this day; INCLUDING the exact position of the wreck. However, the submarine was encroaching upon U.S. waters just before it sunk which caused great concern by the Navy. It probably was an accident, but that doesnt diminish the possibility that it was an accident resulting from a failed launch attempt. Just before it sunk the K-129 had surfaced a few hundred miles offshore from Oahu.

If there is no NWO, then explain this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGM9POWc-C4

There you have it, right out of the horses mouth, no room for interpretation. Deny that!

What a JOKE. A video clip on Youtube isnt "proof" of something ya know.

You didn't even watch it, he's admitting to it. BLATANTLY.

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I'm sure you use internet and "youtube" clips to back up s**t that are comfortable to you. Hell if not then why would you be here?
Your just proving my statements right on the "Religious people and their gods have no standard for truth..." thread. Your not looking for truth, your only looking for something that is comfortable to you, and if your shown proof that isn't comfortable, you turn your head. Book smarts doesn't equal life smarts, or street smarts. It only goes to figure those who are "exerts" in books are idiots in life.

ps- before you go off on a limb trying to categorize me as a conspiracy theorist, I don't believe we were put here by aliens, and by now I should have proven that an OPEN AGENDA exists against us.