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12 Jul 2018, 9:46 am

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By the way if you remember you were the one talking about the "extreme left".

They are left, and they are extremists.



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12 Jul 2018, 5:08 pm

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By the way if you remember you were the one talking about the "extreme left".

They are left, and they are extremists.

I am cool with it as long as they are not lumped with the far left. But to be honest some parts of their ideology are quite right-winged too, in my opinion (not all of it obviously.)



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13 Jul 2018, 9:45 am

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But to be honest some parts of their ideology are quite right-winged too, in my opinion (not all of it obviously.)

For instance?



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13 Jul 2018, 10:26 am

Business Insider columnist quits after editors won't run Scarlett Johansson story Article defended actor's role as transgender man

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Daniella Greenbaum, the Business Insider columnist whose piece defending Scarlett Johansson's upcoming role as a transgender man was removed from the website, said Thursday that she is resigning from her post.

In a letter addressed to Business Insider global editor-in-chief Nicholas Carlson, Greenbaum said that the decision to take down her column represented "the tarring of a commonsensical view as somehow bigoted or not thought out; the capitulation on the part of those who are supposed to be the adults to the mob."

"Can an actor act? That is the question I wanted to weigh in on when I saw the brouhaha about Scarlett Johansson's role in the upcoming movie 'Rub and Tug,'" Greenbaum said in the letter, which she posted on Twitter. "My judgment: Yes. A woman can play a man or a trans man."

She continued: "Apparently, that radical view -- that actors should be free to act -- is beyond the pale of acceptable opinion, as just a few hours after it went up, the piece was erased from the site following a campaign against me."

Greenbaum declined to comment further.

The column was originally published on July 6, and was removed sometime thereafter. Business Insider has since placed a statement on the column's URL, explaining that it was deleted "because, upon further review, we decided it did not meet our editorial standards."

Carlson made the decision to remove the column, and on Monday he issued a lengthy memo to Business Insider editors outlining a new policy for opinion pieces covering "culturally sensitive topics, such as marginalized communities, race, or LGTBQ+ issues."

The Business Insider spokesman said earlier this week that Greenbaum stood by the column and disagreed with its removal.

Neither Carlson nor the spokesman immediately responded to a request for comment.

Greenbaum, previously an assistant editor at the conservative magazine Commentary, joined Business Insider in April.

In her resignation letter, she detailed her conservative positions on a host of issues that she said "some might consider 'controversial'" -- among them her belief that "'safe spaces' are an inane concept that belong nowhere near our institutions of higher learning" and that "people should be admitted to universities on the basis of merit, not depending on the color of their skin."


SJW mentality is well beyond a few campus snowflakes that is why it is a problem.

Are we going to ban every TV show, movie where an Italian actor played a Jew, a 25 year old played a teen, an American played a Brit? Hell forget period dramas because it is actors culturally appropriating. Is my anology over the top, overdramatic, a scare tactic. Sure. It is also the ultimate logical conclusion to where we are heading.

This topic is relevent to us on this board. Of course having little or no Autistic actors playing autistics is a bad thing, “Nothing for us, without us” and all of that but the whole cultural approration thing is taking that idea and making a mockery of it. Rain Man is dated and a stereotype becase the character 30 years later is a dated and a stereotype not because Dustin Hoffman is an NT.


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13 Jul 2018, 3:57 pm

Another victory for the SJW’s

Exclusive: Scarlett Johansson Withdraws From Rub & Tug

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After drawing intense criticism for accepting a role in the movie Rub & Tug, by her Ghost in the Shell director Rupert Sanders, Scarlett Johansson has withdrawn from the movie, she told Out in an exclusive statement today. “I have great admiration and love for the trans community and am grateful that the conversation regarding inclusivity in Hollywood continues,” she said. “While I would have loved the opportunity to bring Dante’s story and transition to life, I understand why many feel he should be portrayed by a transgender person, and I am thankful that this casting debate, albeit controversial, has sparked a larger conversation about diversity and representation in film.”

Johansson had originally defended her position by pointing to other cisgender actors who had played trans, including Jeffrey Tambor in Transparent, but her statement makes clear that she’s had a change of heart. Among those who had been critical of her decision was the transgender actress Trace Lysette, who has worked on Amazon's Transparent, and who wrote, "I wouldn’t be as upset if I was getting in the same rooms as Jennifer Lawrence and Scarlett for cis roles, but we know that’s not the case."

In light of recent ethical questions raised surrounding my casting as Dante Tex Gill, I have decided to respectfully withdraw my participation in the project. Our cultural understanding of transgender people continues to advance, and I’ve learned a lot from the community since making my first statement about my casting and realize it was insensitive. I have great admiration and love for the trans community and am grateful that the conversation regarding inclusivity in Hollywood continues. According to GLAAD, LGBTQ+ characters dropped 40% in 2017 from the previous year, with no representation of trans characters in any major studio release. While I would have loved the opportunity to bring Dante’s story and transition to life, I understand why many feel he should be portrayed by a transgender person, and I am thankful that this casting debate, albeit controversial, has sparked a larger conversation about diversity and representation in film. I believe that all artists should be considered equally and fairly. My production company, These Pictures, actively pursues projects that both entertain and push boundaries. We look forward to working with every community to bring these most poignant and important stories to audiences worldwide."


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13 Jul 2018, 4:01 pm

SJWs: always tiresome and predictable.

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13 Jul 2018, 4:14 pm

XenoMind wrote:
Peacesells wrote:
But to be honest some parts of their ideology are quite right-winged too, in my opinion (not all of it obviously.)

For instance?

For example many of them seem to love uncontrolled mass immigration and movement of goods.
Well, this is not properly right or left winged, but capitalism benefits from it. Also they highly dislike middle class values as capitalism started doing after it started feeling limited by that. Capitalism doesn't like limits.



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13 Jul 2018, 6:52 pm

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For example many of them seem to love uncontrolled mass immigration and movement of goods.

Internationalization. See what Marx and other communists actually wrote ;)
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Also they highly dislike middle class values as capitalism started doing after it started feeling limited by that. Capitalism doesn't like limits.

"Bourgeoisie" must be destroyed, because it's against the revolution. Read the freaking Marx ;)



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14 Jul 2018, 11:36 am

XenoMind wrote:
Internationalization. See what Marx and other communists actually wrote ;)

Please elaborate. I am not an avid reader myself, so if you just say "internationalization" it will be difficult for me to understand what your point is.
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"Bourgeoisie" must be destroyed, because it's against the revolution. Read the freaking Marx ;)

Here too I am not sure what your point is. Are you saying that if communists dislike the Bourgeoisie then capitalism must necessarily like it forever?



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14 Jul 2018, 11:48 am

Why is SJW such a popular pejorative on WP and elsewhere?. It has been used on a nearly continual basis for the last few years. I can not think of any politics-related pejorative as popular ATM.


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14 Jul 2018, 7:14 pm

"oh look at me I'm left!"

....."What's that you say ? the hell with you I am right! and the right is RIGHT!"

..."Oh jee wiz I am green! why do we need parties...JOIN MY CLUB!"

A people divided are so easy to control.



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15 Jul 2018, 3:27 am

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Yale University: Veritas et lux
Harvard University: Veritas
MIT: Mens et manus
Wyoming Unviersity: The World needs more cowboys

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15 Jul 2018, 5:16 pm

Peacesells wrote:
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Internationalization. See what Marx and other communists actually wrote ;)

Please elaborate. I am not an avid reader myself, so if you just say "internationalization" it will be difficult for me to understand what your point is.
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"Bourgeoisie" must be destroyed, because it's against the revolution. Read the freaking Marx ;)

Here too I am not sure what your point is. Are you saying that if communists dislike the Bourgeoisie then capitalism must necessarily like it forever?

I'm saying that both internationalization and hatred to "Bourgeoisie" are essential parts of the communist ideology.



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15 Jul 2018, 5:30 pm

XenoMind wrote:
Peacesells wrote:
XenoMind wrote:
Internationalization. See what Marx and other communists actually wrote.
Please elaborate. I am not an avid reader myself, so if you just say "internationalization" it will be difficult for me to understand what your point is.
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"Bourgeoisie" must be destroyed, because it's against the revolution. Read the freaking Marx.
Here too I am not sure what your point is. Are you saying that if communists dislike the Bourgeoisie then capitalism must necessarily like it forever?
I'm saying that both internationalization and hatred to "Bourgeoisie" are essential parts of the communist ideology.
The "Bourgeoisie" being originally and generally, "those who live in the borough", that is to say, the people of the city (including merchants and craftsmen), as opposed to those of rural areas; in this sense (especially in contemporary times), the Bourgeoisie became a sociologically defined class, referring to people with a certain cultural and financial capital belonging to the middle or upper stratum of the Middle class: the upper (haute), middle (moyenne), and petty (petite) Bourgeoisie, which are collectively designated "THE Bourgeoisie".

Under Marxism, the term has come to mean a more affluent and opulent stratum: the Capitalist class (a.k.a., the "Upper 1 Percent") who stand at the opposite end of the economic spectrum from the Proletariat class (a.k.a., "The Poor").

Which definition is THE operative one in the thread, or does the term "Bourgeoisie" mean here "Anyone who is more wealthy than I"? I am inclined to believe that the latter is the case.



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15 Jul 2018, 9:03 pm

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Which definition is THE operative one in the thread, or does the term "Bourgeoisie" mean here "Anyone who is more wealthy than I"? I am inclined to believe that the latter is the case.

In the Marxist doctrine it usually means everyone who is not a proletarian, i.e. everyone who is not poor as f*ck. "The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains."
What means that the communists naturally hate the middle class as well as the upper class.