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30 May 2022, 12:00 am

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So, Japanese "right wing" are not even a political force but rather organized crime?
Currently around 10 000 members (in 125 million Japan), decreasing.
Hard to identify them with the whole Japanese government and society, then.

pootin would have no trouble.

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30 May 2022, 11:28 am

Anecdote provided by a Chinese Uyghur:
(He seems to have additional information from Uyghur/Central Asian sources)
14th May

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Kyrgyzstan and Tajik people who worked in Russia were sent to the front line in Ukraine by Russia. At first, it was only involved in logistics, and then directly took the gun.

10th May

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After Russia was sanctioned, many Kyrgyz people who worked in Russia were driven back, and some were tricked by Russia to Ukraine as cannon fodder.

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30 May 2022, 11:38 am

Sounds like Putin’s MO (method of operation).

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30 May 2022, 12:40 pm

SkinnedWolf wrote:

Anecdote provided by a Chinese Uyghur:
(He seems to have additional information from Uyghur/Central Asian sources)
14th May

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Kyrgyzstan and Tajik people who worked in Russia were sent to the front line in Ukraine by Russia. At first, it was only involved in logistics, and then directly took the gun.

10th May

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After Russia was sanctioned, many Kyrgyz people who worked in Russia were driven back, and some were tricked by Russia to Ukraine as cannon fodder.

Wow. So, despite all the heavy measures, Uyghur unofficial networks with other Central Asians still work. I'm impressed.

I'm also completely unsurprised.
Officially available data shows most of the dying in Ukraine are from Buryatia and Caucasus.
The "republics" (Lugansk and Donetsk) have completely wild mobilization, too. Some newspaper I recently read mentioned men who use dating apps to... ask women to bring them food, because a man walking on a street can get mobilized.
Kids from Moscow and Petersburg are, on the other hand, spared.

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30 May 2022, 1:30 pm

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Wow. So, despite all the heavy measures, Uyghur unofficial networks with other Central Asians still work. I'm impressed.

He did not elaborate on the issue. He fought both Uighur and Han nationalists online while defending feminism.
Also, he's a Muslim.
And Xinjiang has a lot of family ties with other Central Asian countries. I suspect "safe" Uyghurs don't receive as many restrictions.

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30 May 2022, 1:46 pm

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And Xinjiang has a lot of family ties with other Central Asian countries. I suspect "safe" Uyghurs don't receive as many restrictions.

That's probably the case. Or we can hope so.
Anyway, gossip crosses the border and it matches information from other sources:
https://thediplomat.com/2022/03/ethnic- ... n-ukraine/
https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/05/20/ru ... es-racism/

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30 May 2022, 3:32 pm

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https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%A1%97%E5%AE%A3%E5%8F%B3%E7%BF%BC
https://www.japanpi.com/ja/blog/background/right-wing/
https://car-moby.jp/article/automobile/street-car/
Japanese source. They overlap with gangsters.

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The right has no background to be taken care of as a political organization

There are two reasons. One is that before the end of the Cold War, many media and cultural figures were sympathetic to the left, and I was fortunate to have the opportunity to detail each group in the media, including their claims.

Another reason is that there are some groups of politicians (gangsters) in the right-wing groups, especially the so-called "sound trucks" operated by sound trucks, and in these groups, right-wing movements are carried out at the same time. Mention of one group using sound trucks to carry out a ruthless denunciation campaign against companies and politicians and get financial support in exchange for cancellation.

In fact, the town's right-wing has expanded since the intensified crackdown on gangs in the 1960s, with many gangs swapping their signboards for political associations to evade police repression. Currently, signboard replacement is not allowed due to tightened violence laws.

That said, right-wing groups receive little attention because they are seen as quasi-gangsters or violent groups.
...
Also, not all right-wing groups are right-wing towns, some focus on the internet, some focus on studies and lectures, some don't have stereo trucks...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyoku_dantai
English source

Expanding on this, if one is interested the bosozoku subculture is a good example of where Japanese car culture, far-right nationalism and gangsterism overlap.

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30 May 2022, 4:08 pm

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Expanding on this, if one is interested the bosozoku subculture is a good example of where Japanese car culture, far-right nationalism and gangsterism overlap.

Their fascination with the rising sun flag definitely upsets other Asians. This is almost the equivalent of a swastika to other East Asians.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-50285383

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Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's refusal to act is seen by some as an attempt to please an ultra-conservative faction.

"The current Japanese government is letting extreme nationalism to carry on and is tacitly supporting its expression," explains Harrison Kim, assistant professor in history at the University of Hawaii.

Yet Japan's alleged inability to properly deal with its brutal imperial past "is not the fault of the Japan alone", he says.

Rather, it's in part because the US sought to secure Tokyo as an ally during the Cold War.

"The Japanese government did not have to resort to reparations and redress that would appropriately deal with its own past," says Mr Kim.

The result, he argues, is that Japan has not implemented a permanent way of "memorialising and apologising for its imperial crimes - not in law, not in education, and not in culture".

It is difficult to convince other East Asian countries that a former fascist country's government that frequently pleases right-wing nationalist groups can be trusted.
But the ruling Liberal Democratic Party holds more than half of the seats in Japan as the recognized conservative and Japanese nationalist party.This result is not surprising.

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30 May 2022, 4:16 pm

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funeralxempire wrote:

Expanding on this, if one is interested the bosozoku subculture is a good example of where Japanese car culture, far-right nationalism and gangsterism overlap.

Their fascination with the rising sun flag definitely upsets other Asians. This is almost the equivalent of a swastika to other East Asians.

That seems fair, there's a reason I won't use that symbol even though it's very common among fans of Japanese cars.

I believe it's one of those things where if people better understood they'd reconsider their acceptance of it.

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30 May 2022, 4:24 pm

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That's the party who's leadership always upsets the rest of the region by visiting memorials to war criminals, no?

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30 May 2022, 6:58 pm

This makes me curious about the opinion of the Ukrainian "people".

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31 May 2022, 6:26 am

The lady pushes one of the common Kremlin narratives that Ukrainians fighting against Russian invasion are... not about Ukrainians fighting against an invasion but a about USA fighting a proxy war.

USA would have long ago given up Ukraine if Ukrainians weren't determined to fight. A fact that some volunteers weren't ready for what they enlisted for and made hasty decisions that they later regreted - it does not change it as a whole. Ukrainians are the ones fighting and asking for support. If they stopped fighting, USA would instantly stop supporting them.

Of course I didn't talk to all Ukrainians and I wouldn't trust polls published during a war - but I meet plenty of Ukrainians all around me, with families back at home and all, and I never so far heard even slightiest support to giving up anything for ending the war earlier.

Because they know and we (Poland) know what previously was learned by West Europe in 1938-1939: if you give to an agressor to buy peace, you buy only a worse war later. And that's what Ukrainian people expect if the West made them "make peace" with Russia without regaining their territories. That's how they interpret current invasion as a result of Western de facto acceptance for Crimea annexation. An even worse war later. They don't want yet another act of this tragedy.

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31 May 2022, 6:38 am

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The lady pushes one of the common Kremlin narratives that Ukrainians fighting against Russian invasion are... not about Ukrainians fighting against an invasion but a about USA fighting a proxy war.
USA would have long ago given up Ukraine if Ukrainians weren't determined to fight. A fact that some volunteers weren't ready for what they enlisted for and made hasty decisions that they later regreted - it does not change it as a whole. Ukrainians are fighting and if they stopped, USA would instantly stop supporting them.

Of course I didn't talk to all Ukrainians and I wouldn't trust polls published during a war - but I meet plenty of Ukrainians all around me, with families back at home and all, and I never so far heard even slightiest support to giving up anything for ending the war earlier.

Because they know and we (Poland) know what previously was learned by West Europe in 1938-1939: if you give to an agressor to buy peace, you buy only a worse war later. And that's what Ukrainian people expect if the West made them "make peace" with Russia without regaining their territories. An even worse war later.

I disagree, in this instance.
pootin should be dead, one way or the other, sooner rather than later.
The butt-hole who comes after him will have probably learnt the lesson, and besides, it will take many years for Russia to recover.
In the meantime, NATO is growing its membership.

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31 May 2022, 6:42 am

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What lesson?
If stopping the war was forced now, with current frontlines for borders, the lesson would be "you can move quite far that way, now let's improve our army in the following ways to get even further..."

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In the meantime, NATO is growing its membership.

And what about Ukraine?

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31 May 2022, 6:46 am

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Pepe wrote:

What lesson?
If stopping the war was forced now, with current frontlines for borders, the lesson would be "you can move quite far that way, now let's improve your army in the following to get even further..."

Pepe wrote:

In the meantime, NATO is growing its membership.

And what about Ukraine?

The lesson is that the time of Russian imperialism is over.

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31 May 2022, 6:50 am

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The lesson is that the time of Russian imperialism is over.

To my deepest regrets, all the available evidence supports the opposite.

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