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17 Jul 2018, 2:12 pm

XenoMind wrote:

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Internationalization. See what Marx and other communists actually wrote

Please elaborate. I am not an avid reader myself, so if you just say "internationalization" it will be difficult for me to understand what your point is.

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"Bourgeoisie" must be destroyed, because it's against the revolution. Read the freaking Marx

Here too I am not sure what your point is. Are you saying that if communists dislike the Bourgeoisie then capitalism must necessarily like it forever?

I'm saying that both internationalization and hatred to "Bourgeoisie" are essential parts of the communist ideology.

Is this "internationalization" the way capitalism expoilts poor countires?

Also I still don't see why if communism dislikes the bourgeoise capitalism is necessarily bound to like it.

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17 Jul 2018, 3:03 pm

Peacesells wrote:

Is this "internationalization" the way capitalism expoilts poor countires?

Also I still don't see why if communism dislikes the bourgeoise capitalism is necessarily bound to like it.

You have very short memory, don't you?

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17 Jul 2018, 4:13 pm

XenoMind wrote:

Peacesells wrote:

Is this "internationalization" the way capitalism expoilts poor countires?

Also I still don't see why if communism dislikes the bourgeoise capitalism is necessarily bound to like it.

You have very short memory, don't you?

Why don't you articulate your posts a little?

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17 Jul 2018, 4:23 pm

Peacesells wrote:

XenoMind wrote:

Peacesells wrote:

Is this "internationalization" the way capitalism expoilts poor countires?

Also I still don't see why if communism dislikes the bourgeoise capitalism is necessarily bound to like it.

You have very short memory, don't you?

Why don't you articulate your posts a little?

You wrote that SJWs have some "right wing traits", such as "love uncontrolled mass immigration and movement of goods" and "Also they highly dislike middle class values".
I answered that both of these are inherent features of classic marxism.

Simple enough, isn't it?

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17 Jul 2018, 4:46 pm

XenoMind wrote:

Peacesells wrote:

XenoMind wrote:

Peacesells wrote:

Is this "internationalization" the way capitalism expoilts poor countires?

Also I still don't see why if communism dislikes the bourgeoise capitalism is necessarily bound to like it.

You have very short memory, don't you?

Why don't you articulate your posts a little?

Is uncontrolled mass immigraiton a feature of classic Marxism? What was his take on this? You just said "internationalization".

It is the third time I tell you that just because A dislikes B and C, it doesn't necessarily mean that C will always like B.

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17 Jul 2018, 4:57 pm

Don't forget: there was also something called the "Petit Bourgeoisie."

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17 Jul 2018, 5:03 pm

Peacesells wrote:

Is uncontrolled mass immigraiton a feature of classic Marxism? What was his take on this? You just said "internationalization".

Don't be ridiculous. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_communism

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It is the third time I tell you that just because A dislikes B and C, it doesn't necessarily mean that C will always like B.

This is just irrelevant to what I wrote. It looks like you're arguing with voices in your head rather than with me.

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17 Jul 2018, 8:45 pm

Even Barack Obama thinks that SJWs have gone too far! :lol:
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/barack-obama-dont-silence-people-just-because-theyre-white-or-male/

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18 Jul 2018, 9:55 am

XenoMind wrote:

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Is uncontrolled mass immigraiton a feature of classic Marxism? What was his take on this? You just said "internationalization".

Don't be ridiculous. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_communism

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It is the third time I tell you that just because A dislikes B and C, it doesn't necessarily mean that C will always like B.

This is just irrelevant to what I wrote. It looks like you're arguing with voices in your head rather than with me.

Can you stop using ad hominems? It's very tiring and it keeps me from enjoying the discussion.

If I open your link it says:

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Marxist philosophy held that because capitalism had become global (and thus capitalists could be expected to cooperate internationally to maintain dominance in class conflict), the proletariat would need to cooperate internationally as well via proletarian internationalism to avoid continued subjugation via divide and rule (thus the rallying cry of "Workers of the world, unite!"). In this view, after a period of international socialism the terminal stage of development of the (future) history of communism would be world communism.

I am quoting that bit because you were talking about Marxism.
This means that the proletariat needs to cooperate internationally as a reaction against the capitalism that has ALREADY gone global, which of course is true and makes sense. And he says that this international socialism would develop into international communism in the end.
Note that this is seen as a reaction to what I was initially mentioning, the globalization of capitalism.

About the voices in my head, I don't know what you are talking about. I said that capitalism started adversing the bourgeoise, and you said that communism hates it. I am not really sure what your point was, I think your response doesn't have much to do with my statement.

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18 Jul 2018, 10:18 am

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Note that this is seen as a reaction to what I was initially mentioning, the globalization of capitalism.

Ok now I finally see what you wanted to say. :cheers:

So, both capitalists and marxists have this trait.

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I said that capitalism started adversing the bourgeoise

When and how?

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18 Jul 2018, 10:27 am

There are five inescapable facts regarding Social Justice Warriors:

1) One side's 'Social Justice Warrior' is the other side's 'Troll'.

2) One side is indistinguishable from the other to an outside observer.

3) Both sides (collectively) become The Unruly Mob.

4) All that The Unruly Mob needs to justify its existence is a head on a pike.

5) Any head will do.

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18 Jul 2018, 10:44 am

XenoMind wrote:

Peacesells wrote:

Note that this is seen as a reaction to what I was initially mentioning, the globalization of capitalism.

Ok now I finally see what you wanted to say. :cheers:

So, both capitalists and marxists have this trait.

I am sorry that we had communication problems, I try my best.
Isn't it how it is supposed to be? It's a reaction that it's necessary, you can't fight it otherwise. For exemple everyone would agree that third world countries need to develop workers' rights too.

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I said that capitalism started adversing the bourgeoise

When and how?[/quote]
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For example many of them seem to love uncontrolled mass immigration and movement of goods.
Well, this is not properly right or left winged, but capitalism benefits from it. Also they highly dislike middle class values as capitalism started doing after it started feeling limited by that. Capitalism doesn't like limits.

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18 Jul 2018, 10:48 am

Fnord wrote:

I find these facts very escapable.

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18 Jul 2018, 5:15 pm

Peacesells wrote:

Here:

I mean, when and how capitalism started adversing the bourgeoise?

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18 Jul 2018, 5:19 pm

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2) One side is indistinguishable from the other to an outside observer.

I don't think so. Anti-SJWs state openly that they're concerned about their own interests. SJWs pretend that the only thing they're concerned about is "social justice" while actually pursuing status and wealth.

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19 Jul 2018, 2:23 pm

XenoMind wrote:

Peacesells wrote:

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I mean, when and how capitalism started adversing the bourgeoise?

Oh. I am not sure because I am not a scholar of this stuff or a historian and I wasn't alive back then but I heard some say around 1968.

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