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Do you believe God exists?
1) God is a being, that one can have a personal relationship. A person God. 30%  30%  [ 55 ]
2) God is an impersonal force that guides reality as it is. He decrees our laws of physics, but does not intervene to break them. 12%  12%  [ 22 ]
3) God does not exist. Reality can be explained by scientific inquiry and the scientific method in by itself. 33%  33%  [ 61 ]
4) I am not sure. There is the possibility that God does exist, or does not. We must follow the preponderance of evidence when drawing our conclusion. 25%  25%  [ 47 ]
Total votes : 185

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13 Jun 2016, 5:09 pm

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And my job is to convert others to the more logical and rational theistic world view point. With a wider knowledge and academic degrees in physics and cosmology, I will begin writing a more formal scientific proof of God's existance in the next few posts I make.

Good luck with that.



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13 Jun 2016, 9:53 pm

I've posted elsewhere that I read Graphic Novels. Tonight I was talking with a friend who is a Lutheran. I started wondering if there was a Graphic Novel on him. (Luther not my friend)
There are, but not in my library. Tomorrow I will put in an inter library loan request.
On my reading table a current topic. You probably didn't guess
Superman versus Muhammad Ali (1978 publishing date) If you did guess a No Prize is coming.


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14 Jun 2016, 2:48 am

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AspE wrote:
That's perfectly fine, I'm just making conversation. Trying to convert people to atheism is what I do. .


And my job is to convert others to the more logical and rational theistic world view point. With a wider knowledge and academic degrees in physics and cosmology, I will begin writing a more formal scientific proof of God's existance in the next few posts I make.

This is fully in your rights, but do realise that there is a steep cliff ahead of you; "logical" and "theistic" rarely fit in the same sentence.

As for the scapegoating; if sacrificing yourself to yourself is the only way an omnipotent being can forgive his children for a sin he himself defined and alleqed to happen, i'm not sure i'd trust his judgement...



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14 Jun 2016, 5:20 am

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Let the redeemed of The Lord say so.

Praising The Lord for another day.
Off to work. On the way I listen to Five years through the Bible.

When I get to work I wail a bit on blues harmonica.

Movies and music started me on my journey. The Blood of the Lamb and my testimony carry me on.

I'm not here to change anyone. WP is a place I found while waiting for my diagnosis.

May your beliefs give you what you need.


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14 Jun 2016, 12:29 pm

drlaugh wrote:
Cue the keyboard player
Let the redeemed of The Lord say so.

Praising The Lord for another day.
Off to work. On the way I listen to Five years through the Bible.

When I get to work I wail a bit on blues harmonica.

Movies and music started me on my journey. The Blood of the Lamb and my testimony carry me on.

I'm not here to change anyone. WP is a place I found while waiting for my diagnosis.

May your beliefs give you what you need.

Please pray for the ability to write better poetry.



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14 Jun 2016, 2:12 pm

SOL - meaning smile out loud

That and my LWT - laugh while typing hasn't caught on.

I'm also praying for healing

I have tennis elbow from my yoga practice.

I pray, use physical therapy and ice.
It's nice.


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14 Jun 2016, 2:32 pm

Nope.


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14 Jun 2016, 4:03 pm

I believe that many atheists are making rational arguments, but not all choices serve a logical purpose. A belief in God asks people to accept that they exist by arbitrary decree. No further patterns are required, whether they exist or not; to say that the cosmos came into existence, by means of the spoken word, is a matter of choice.

In the words of the Bible, people are known from the womb, they are foreordained, predestinated, and God chooses you. You can come to a knowledge of saving grace. You can't earn grace. Noone can force grace. It's afforded to you, as a matter of choice.

We know from the operational sciences that water will boil, apples fall downward, and the switch should turn on the light, but unfathomable absolutes are not properly the realm of science. Anyone can look at the same objective data and speculate as to it's origins.



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14 Jun 2016, 4:27 pm

I was headed for a career in mathematics. I liked the consistency found there.

Sometimes what seems logical and a simple equation is not.

When I added my wife to my life it was much more than
1 + 1 = 2

If a couple loses a child through death it is much more than
3 - 1 = 2

1/2 X + 1/2 X = X
Usually yes, but not always

A baby X cut in half + A baby cut in half X is?
One
Or a mathematical telling of a story attributed to Solomon.

me a name I call myself


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14 Jun 2016, 5:44 pm

Like halving an irrational number, because the value of a human life is ineffable, and that baby was supposed to be indivisible.



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14 Jun 2016, 6:21 pm

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you can't even allow yourself to think of someone else but your husband with lust, making a sin of finding people attractive.

:mrgreen:

Ah but there it is. I find some humans beautiful and stare. I find some animals beautiful and stare. I find some things around me beautiful and stare. All give me pleasure and inspire but none arouse me. And that has been the case for decades.

"Sin" is human. As a human that found a compatible mate, I am very interested in what I may do with my fiance which is unusual in itself since I barely tolerated my ex-husband in my personal space and dating was a drudgery when I was young. Very sinful thoughts can and do arise about my BBF4eva fella ^_^ But looks alone would not have won the day for him. 2 years of friendship prior to our 4 years as a couple is a big factor. There could be a chance we do not marry after all. I can only walk as straight as possible on the path and not stray to far into the wilderness.


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14 Jun 2016, 6:26 pm

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Like halving an irrational number, because the value of a human life is ineffable, and that baby was supposed to be indivisible.


Yes the true mother was revealed that way.


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16 Jun 2016, 1:58 pm

Most of the time I believe in God, in a personal God that gives a crap about this world and every sparrow and me.

I don't have proof, or a reason beyond it makes me feel better to do so.

Sometimes I do not believe in God. Sometimes I remember that studies are showing that autism is pretty closely related to schizophrenia, and I decide that I should not allow myself to believe in anything that cannot be externally verified.

I am not a very happy person in those times.

This seems to me to be reason enough to believe in God (and therefore to believe that I am me for some reason other than the passing down of miscopied genes on X chromosomes from my maternal grandfather and my dad).


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16 Jun 2016, 2:03 pm

I should note that a profound desire to believe in God doesn't mean I believe in organized religion, and using the proper noun commonly ascribed to Christianity doesn't make me a Yahwist.

I do identify most closely with Christianity, with elements of nondenominational Paganism. But I decline to claim any religious label fully for my own, and do not believe any of them have the market cornered on Truth and Understanding.


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16 Jun 2016, 2:23 pm

I find the idea of God horrifying. It means I'm not really me, I'm just a puppet preordained to follow a path I didn't choose. It means reality as we perceive it is a joke, and nothing really matters.



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16 Jun 2016, 10:00 pm

This was a trip. I'm going to see this guy in concert next month and wanted to see what he's been up to, landed on this. Quite a speech!


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