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19 Jul 2018, 4:16 pm

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Oh. I am not sure because I am not a scholar of this stuff or a historian and I wasn't alive back then but I heard some say around 1968.

That's long after the Communists, then.



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20 Jul 2018, 9:31 am

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Oh. I am not sure because I am not a scholar of this stuff or a historian and I wasn't alive back then but I heard some say around 1968.

That's long after the Communists, then.

Yes, I wonder if Marx predicted that at all in his writings, I honestly don't know much about him.
Btw it's interesting to read what he wrote about the Irish workers, maybe they'd accuse him of being racist and alt-right today.



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15 Aug 2018, 10:02 pm

Researchers identify 31 types of anti-atheist microaggressions

--A team of researchers has created a "Microaggressions Against Non-Religious Individuals Scale" to help therapists understand the 31 unique types of microaggressions faced by atheist individuals.

--According to the researchers, atheists can suffer mental "harm" if others assume that they are religious, act surprised that they do not believe in God, or assume that they have no morals.

Three researchers recently created a psychological survey to help therapists gauge how often atheist clients may suffer from microaggressions.

The Microaggressions Against Non-Religious Individuals Scale (MANIRS) was created by researchers Louis Pagano, Azim Shariff, and Zhen Cheng, and published for the first time last week in a journal run by the American Psychological Association.

"Because our study is not experimental, we cannot directly claim that microaggressions directly caused harm."

According to the MANIRS scale, there are 31 microaggressions that are unique to atheists, many of which involve incidents during which an atheist is accidentally assumed to be religious, or when an atheist overhears stereotypes.


https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=11218


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16 Aug 2018, 9:01 am

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Researchers identify 31 types of anti-atheist microaggressions

--A team of researchers has created a "Microaggressions Against Non-Religious Individuals Scale" to help therapists understand the 31 unique types of microaggressions faced by atheist individuals.

--According to the researchers, atheists can suffer mental "harm" if others assume that they are religious, act surprised that they do not believe in God, or assume that they have no morals.

Three researchers recently created a psychological survey to help therapists gauge how often atheist clients may suffer from microaggressions.

The Microaggressions Against Non-Religious Individuals Scale (MANIRS) was created by researchers Louis Pagano, Azim Shariff, and Zhen Cheng, and published for the first time last week in a journal run by the American Psychological Association.

"Because our study is not experimental, we cannot directly claim that microaggressions directly caused harm."

According to the MANIRS scale, there are 31 microaggressions that are unique to atheists, many of which involve incidents during which an atheist is accidentally assumed to be religious, or when an atheist overhears stereotypes.


https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=11218

All this is a silly joke. There are many countries where you can get killed for being an atheist (literally), and you know what? It's easily possible to apply for the refugee status if you're under the risk of persecution for your religion, but it's nearly impossible when you're under the risk of persecution for your atheism.



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16 Aug 2018, 1:38 pm

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2) One side is indistinguishable from the other to an outside observer.

I don't think so. Anti-SJWs state openly that they're concerned about their own interests. SJWs pretend that the only thing they're concerned about is "social justice" while actually pursuing status and wealth.

Strongly disagree. Anti SJW's often disguise themselves as liberals trying to reclaim the movement but are often driven by greed and appeasing their ignorant, tone deaf audiences. Those that don't are essentially the opposite, claiming that they're for overthrowing the "Orwellian" left but they are in it solely for their own greed.

I'm absolutely more inclined to believe that "SJW's" (whatever the Hell that even means) are considerably more authentic.



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16 Aug 2018, 2:46 pm

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I'm absolutely more inclined to believe that "SJW's" (whatever the Hell that even means) are considerably more authentic.

Ah this naiveté.



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I'm absolutely more inclined to believe that "SJW's" (whatever the Hell that even means) are considerably more authentic.
Ah this naiveté.
More 'authentic' than what, I wonder.

A subtle form of the SJW is the 'Enabler' -- someone who is more concerned with affirming the validity of a person's negative feelings than with correcting that person's negative and self-destructive behavior ... sorta like the parents who excuse their child's destructive behavior as a 'phase' that the child will "grow out of".



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17 Aug 2018, 1:34 pm

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I'm absolutely more inclined to believe that "SJW's" (whatever the Hell that even means) are considerably more authentic.
Ah this naiveté.
More 'authentic' than what, I wonder.

A subtle form of the SJW is the 'Enabler' -- someone who is more concerned with affirming the validity of a person's negative feelings than with correcting that person's negative and self-destructive behavior ... sorta like the parents who excuse their child's destructive behavior as a 'phase' that the child will "grow out of".


Read the full quote.



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17 Aug 2018, 1:50 pm

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I'm absolutely more inclined to believe that "SJW's" (whatever the Hell that even means) are considerably more authentic.

Ah this naiveté.


Please use my full quote next time. Context is everything.

I can't really be naive to a concept that actually has no hard definition. SJW, the way I see it, is a term invented by hard conservatives to stifle legitimate issues like rape, victim shaming, systemic racism, misogyny, transphobia, etc. In other words, there's no meaning, just empty buzzwords that "skeptics" can utilise later as a dog whistle for the unthinking masses.

Let's be honest, though; SJW just means anybody who believes in social justice, regardless of justification or no. Somebody pointing out black people in America being wrongly imprisoned or apprehended is an SJW, somebody trying to stem the epidemic of rape using statistics is an SJW, somebody who wants to include homosexual couples or female lead roles in media is an SJW, a woman on a front cover of a game is an SJW agenda, it goes on and on, and it eventually just becomes white noise. How are these not legitimate issues? I'm white, heterosexual, cisgender and about lower-middle class. What do I stand to gain from speaking out for oppressed black people or homosexuals or transsexuals or women, besides genuine social justice causes, peace of mind and a rested conscience? I'm not profiting from it, it's just my philosophy that acting morally and supporting your fellow people will benefit you. How exactly is that naïve, pray tell? How can you possibly think this is worse than those opposing and stifling social justice? It makes no sense to me.

Charlatanism is a different story, but if that's what's meant then I'd rather that be used. I don't believe Sarkeesian, as an example, is for advancing social justice (in spite of a lot of her speeches being quotemined), but I don't care either way because she makes her money from donations from her fans. How is this harmful to anybody but her fans? If you don't like it, you're not forced to donate. Vehemently opposing it is equally as devious in my opinion.

Anyway, SJW is used for literally everything these days. Say a woman was sexually harassed once, and you're an SJW. It's completely lost its meaning if everybody is now one of them, which increasingly seems to be the case.



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17 Aug 2018, 3:32 pm

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I'm absolutely more inclined to believe that "SJW's" (whatever the Hell that even means) are considerably more authentic.

Ah this naiveté.


Please use my full quote next time. Context is everything.

I can't really be naive to a concept that actually has no hard definition. SJW, the way I see it, is a term invented by hard conservatives to stifle legitimate issues like rape, victim shaming, systemic racism, misogyny, transphobia, etc. In other words, there's no meaning, just empty buzzwords that "skeptics" can utilise later as a dog whistle for the unthinking masses.

Let's be honest, though; SJW just means anybody who believes in social justice, regardless of justification or no. Somebody pointing out black people in America being wrongly imprisoned or apprehended is an SJW, somebody trying to stem the epidemic of rape using statistics is an SJW, somebody who wants to include homosexual couples or female lead roles in media is an SJW, a woman on a front cover of a game is an SJW agenda, it goes on and on, and it eventually just becomes white noise. How are these not legitimate issues? I'm white, heterosexual, cisgender and about lower-middle class. What do I stand to gain from speaking out for oppressed black people or homosexuals or transsexuals or women, besides genuine social justice causes, peace of mind and a rested conscience? I'm not profiting from it, it's just my philosophy that acting morally and supporting your fellow people will benefit you. How exactly is that naïve, pray tell? How can you possibly think this is worse than those opposing and stifling social justice? It makes no sense to me.

Charlatanism is a different story, but if that's what's meant then I'd rather that be used. I don't believe Sarkeesian, as an example, is for advancing social justice (in spite of a lot of her speeches being quotemined), but I don't care either way because she makes her money from donations from her fans. How is this harmful to anybody but her fans? If you don't like it, you're not forced to donate. Vehemently opposing it is equally as devious in my opinion.

Anyway, SJW is used for literally everything these days. Say a woman was sexually harassed once, and you're an SJW. It's completely lost its meaning if everybody is now one of them, which increasingly seems to be the case.


Social Justice Activists should not be conflated with Social Justice Warriors. Social Justice Warriors are censorious bullies. They want to language police people for “social justice” making everything offensive for the purpose defining people they disagree with as racists or Nazis or born white etc therefore invalidating anything they have to say.

They present an ongoing threat because they have had a measure of “success” in these areas

They have in many circles expanded the definition of racism to include almost all forms of bigotry.

Thay have expanded what is offensive to include microagressions and any joke gone bad. When everything is offensive nothing is offensive, there is not context allowed in this worldview. This has had negative consequences in the forms of real offense being often considered “owning the libs” and getting offended by really offensive things a sign of being a snowflake.

They are undercutting the basic philosophy of free expression that allowed them to bring social justice issues to the fore. Censorous impulses based on the overexpanded definitions of offense has gaining traction in influential trendy companies including media and the nations highest institutions of learning and arguably the under thirty generations as a whole.


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17 Aug 2018, 3:43 pm

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You can get a degree in Social Justice Warrioring?

Gender Studies degree---> fight the patriarchy
African Studies degree ---> fight white oppression
Environmental Studies degree ---> fight global warming
Sociology Degree ---> fight white privilege
Social Advocacy Studies ---> fight, fight, fight

Here is an example ...
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So, SJW isn't just people people taking things too far? It's now all higher level education? Are you sure anti-SJW isn't just a conservative anti-intellectual movement?

That is exactly what it has become, however it started. Also, resentment that anyone could threaten the privilege of straight white males.



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17 Aug 2018, 4:03 pm

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But when you examine it closely, you realize it has a problem: it implies that the problem is totally one of race, in a society where systemic racism is almost nonexistent.

Tell that to an adopted black kid with white parents who always gets pulled over by the cops and pulled out of the car just for driving through his mostly white neighborhood. Ask his white brother if the same thing happens (hint, it doesn't)...

There are many problems with identity politics and the current political climate but systemic racism definitely still exists. Pretending it doesn't exist is takes away any sort of credibility in your argument.


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18 Aug 2018, 10:23 am

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Please use my full quote next time. Context is everything.

Please stop trying to push me around. Thanks.
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I can't really be naive to a concept that actually has no hard definition. SJW, the way I see it, is a term invented by hard conservatives to stifle legitimate issues like rape, victim shaming, systemic racism, misogyny, transphobia, etc. In other words, there's no meaning, just empty buzzwords that "skeptics" can utilise later as a dog whistle for the unthinking masses.

It's interesting that you didn't put disability on this list (what gets along very well with SJW agenda in general; SJW don't give a flying duck for the rights of disabled people).
I'll believe that you and other SJWs aren't charlatans when 1) you start doing something real to fix the problem with discrimination against disabled people 2) stop pretending that Islam doesn't violate the rights of women, gays (and quite a few other groups of people)



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18 Aug 2018, 10:30 am

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but systemic racism definitely still exists. Pretending it doesn't exist is takes away any sort of credibility in your argument.

Yes. And it's called "affirmative action".



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18 Aug 2018, 3:34 pm

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Islam doesn't violate the rights of women, gays (and quite a few other groups of people)


Some, to many, who follow Islam do violate my rights as a queer guy.

That said, on the other hand, some who follow Islam are a lot more accepting of my same-sex attraction than Christians are.

I don't believe in painting all Christians with broad brush strokes and I don't believe in doing the same to all who follow Islam.

"One goes for all" doesn't hold weight.

In the US which religion is taking the most actions against me? Christians, Evangelicals, and Mormons. Hell, they even just started a "religious task force" with notable anti-lgbtq groups to come after my rights. They have governmental power in the states which makes those religious bigots more dangerous in the states.

I've found that many right wingers just like to bring Islam up as though to say "at least I'm not throwing you off rooftops" - which if you have to say "at least I'm not killing you" to try to make it look like you're "with" us, that is already saying a lot.

That said, I trust no organized religion. I have faith, but organized religion is scary to me.

The issue many of us lgbtq take with right wingers mentioning Islam is they do it as a way to detour from their own bigotry towards us. One doesn't negate the other.



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18 Aug 2018, 3:56 pm

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but systemic racism definitely still exists. Pretending it doesn't exist is takes away any sort of credibility in your argument.

Yes. And it's called "affirmative action".

I'm talking about actual racism, not a policy enacted to try to redress racism. You can disagree with affirmative action, but it's very disingenuous to try to imply that it's institutional racism.


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