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18 Aug 2018, 5:43 pm

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I'm talking about actual racism, not a policy enacted to try to redress racism. You can disagree with affirmative action, but it's very disingenuous to try to imply that it's institutional racism.

Giving people privileges because of their race is racism, just by the definition. And it's obviously institutional.

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18 Aug 2018, 5:46 pm

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The issue many of us lgbtq take with right wingers mentioning Islam is they do it as a way to detour from their own bigotry towards us. One doesn't negate the other.

Well yes it doesn't. Why did you bring up right-wingers then?

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18 Aug 2018, 6:00 pm

XenoMind wrote:

alex wrote:

I'm talking about actual racism, not a policy enacted to try to redress racism. You can disagree with affirmative action, but it's very disingenuous to try to imply that it's institutional racism.

Giving people privileges because of their race is racism, just by the definition. And it's obviously institutional.

Reading this, I thought, "maybe I have the wrong definition of racism" so I googled the definition and, nope, you are wrong. Thanks for wasting my time though..

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18 Aug 2018, 6:08 pm

alex wrote:

XenoMind wrote:

alex wrote:

I'm talking about actual racism, not a policy enacted to try to redress racism. You can disagree with affirmative action, but it's very disingenuous to try to imply that it's institutional racism.

Giving people privileges because of their race is racism, just by the definition. And it's obviously institutional.

Reading this, I thought, "maybe I have the wrong definition of racism" so I googled the definition and, nope, you are wrong. Thanks for wasting my time though..

As someone with a melting pot family with members who struggled to break out of that institution, I can easily say that affirmative action does have intent of keeping a certain demographic under an invisible chain, for politicians to use them as voters in exchange for meager handouts. By preventing their success and education, they keep them ignorant and keep them tethered as a source of votes. They keep them in horrible environments that spawn a harsh lifestyle and take away all incentives to become something. That's how we see it, and those that broke out of it see it. It's not an easy cycle to break, and the right thing to do would be to reform the system and gradually phase it out. They are an untapped reservoir of entrepreneurs and hard workers who have unknowingly lost hope since they grew up in the environment and believe it to be normal.

Take this as you want, but I am someone with family who struggled to break out of it, and not the whole family has broken free of these chains. While it might have once held noble intention, it's now used by politicians as a source of power at the expense of so many.

I'm just offering some perspective, and not necessarily trying to persuade anyone of anything, but I just wanted to share a bit of a unfortunately true story.

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18 Aug 2018, 6:17 pm

XenoMind wrote:

Spooky_Mulder wrote:

The issue many of us lgbtq take with right wingers mentioning Islam is they do it as a way to detour from their own bigotry towards us. One doesn't negate the other.

Well yes it doesn't. Why did you bring up right-wingers then?

Since it is right wingers who try to use Islam to negate bigotry against us from extreme Christians.

Although I don’t need to really name a wing since it is prominently the right who are homophobic anyway.

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18 Aug 2018, 6:22 pm

Spooky_Mulder wrote:

XenoMind wrote:

Spooky_Mulder wrote:

The issue many of us lgbtq take with right wingers mentioning Islam is they do it as a way to detour from their own bigotry towards us. One doesn't negate the other.

Well yes it doesn't. Why did you bring up right-wingers then?

I'm not homophobic and you're gonna need to elaborate "extreme Christian" since technically, an extreme fundamentalist would be closer to that of the Amish than someone shouting "Deus Vult!" as they attempt to start a crusade to "retake Constantinople."
Sounds like you got a case of... rightwingphobia (not even a word but I'll use it). More intolerance/hatred/prejudice does not ameliorate other intolerance that you perceive. Just makes things worse.

“But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you."
Luke 6:27-31, NIV.

An actual fundamentalist would be abiding by that, which is a verse that is a part of the fundamental teachings from Christ. So you'll need to specify by what you mean by "fundamentalist" unless you've also mistakenly misused the term, as many people do.

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18 Aug 2018, 6:36 pm

Dude I don’t need you straightsplaining to me.

What political party was the most against equal marriage rights? What political party continues to use the term “gay agenda” every single freaking time we fight for equal rights? What political party has set up a religious task force to ensure bigoted straights can discriminate against us? What political party continues to act like we’re corrupting children based on how we were born and has a news channel that spews that demonizing filth against us 24/7 (Fox)?

Right. The right.

As per Christian - Roman Catholics are okay. Evangelicals and Mormons are absolute nightmares.

“No they’re not!” You might say -

These are the groups that were the most against equal marriage rights. Harrass us at pride parades and outside of clubs hoisting anti-gay biblical quotes. And run torture/conversion centers. Not to mention the Mormon community right now has an extreme problem of many of their teens, especially lgbtq, committing suicide due to being kicked out of their families.

So yeah - after years of abuse, I know which party continues to throw it my way.

Are all right wingers that way? No and I never said they were. Many in my family are right wing and aren’t that way, Anthony Kennedy (right wing) played a crucial role in making same sex marriage legal. However, are most homophobes right wingers? Absolutely.

Don’t get me wrong, left wing has a different brand of discrimination- GBF (seeing us as commodities). But, homophobia is the form the discrimination takes prominently on the right.

Hell, I still remember Trump just this year celebrating child molestor Roy Moore who likened me being able to marry a guy as a religious abomination that is bringing the end times. Republicans did this very openly as well, nothing behind closed doors about it.

I know who these people are.

As per rightphobic, let’s see - I’m a hispanic, bisexual, first generation immigrant and right now the right-wing President is targeting hispanics, the lgbtq community, and is demonizing immigrants. Hmm. I wonder why I am “rightphobic.”

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18 Aug 2018, 6:47 pm

Spooky_Mulder wrote:

Dude I don’t need you straightsplaining to me.

What political party was the most against equal marriage rights? What political party continues to use the term “gay agenda” every single freaking time we fight for equal rights? What political party has set up a religious task force to ensure bigoted straights can discriminate against us?

Right. The right.

As per Christian - Roman Catholics are okay. Evangelicals and Mormons are absolute nightmares.

“No they’re not!” You might say -

These are the groups that were the most against equal marriage rights. Harrass us at pride parades and outside of clubs hoisting anti-gay biblical quotes. And run torture/conversion centers. Not to mention the Mormon community right now has an extreme problem of many of their teens, especially lgbtq, committing suicide due to being kicked out of their families.

So yeah - after years of abuse, I know which party continues to throw it my way.

Are all right wingers that way? No and I never said they were. Many in my family right wing and aren’t that way. Are most homophobes right wingers? Absolutely.

Don’t get me wrong, left wing has a different brand of discrimination- GBF (seeing us as commodities). But, homophobia is the form the discrimination takes prominently on the right.

Hell, I still remember Trump just this year celebrating child molestor Roy Moore who likened me being able to marry a guy as a religious abomination that is bringing the end times.

I know who these people are.

I'm not straightsplaining to you, whatever that is. Also, there is no "Right" party. In the US, there is the Democratic Party and Grand Old Party, which I'm kinda surprised you didn't know that, since you're in New York. Anyways, Democrats and Republicans (members of the GOP) have both opposed legalized gay marriage for a long time, it wasn't until halfway through former President Obama's term that it became a part of one of the party platforms. Before that, it was the far-right Libertarian Party that supported LGBTQ+ rights during a time in which everyone shunned the notion.
Nowadays, most people of the GOP are indifferent, with younger generations being for marriage rights or "civil unions" while Libertarians continue to support it as they always have.

Also, to say most homophobes are right-wing is also just wrong. Go to Africa or the Middle East, and socialist parties are very homophobic, just as much as their counterpart conservatives are. Two examples: House of Saud in Saudi Arabia is very anti-gay, and the MPLA of Angola is anti-gay (though not to the extent of the Sauds).

Seriously man, love is the way, hatred blinds.

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18 Aug 2018, 6:50 pm

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1. One bad doesn't negate the other, you said it yourself. Now try to live up to your own high standards.
2. And no, you don't need to be a right winger to know that Islam is extremely intolerant.

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18 Aug 2018, 6:52 pm

Seriously man, you’re straight and an apologist for right wingers. As somebody who has lived as a queer guy for 30 years now in this country. I know who attacks me and who doesn’t. Fox News demonizing people like me (yeah, sadly I know people brainwashed by Fox) made my journey of self realization and acceptance even harder with their filth.

It has always been the “law and order” scum.

The only true part is that Democratic Presidents didn’t support same sex marriage until mid way through Obama’s term. It is also true that most Democrats supported it while Republicans didn’t.

I guess next you’ll tell me cops were always friends of the lgbtq community as well. :roll:

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18 Aug 2018, 7:54 pm

Wow you just took something about sexuality and tried to make it about race lol.

(1) I’m not black. I’m hispanic or mixed race, perhaps white and those who say “white devil” scare me. If you mean me bringing up being hispanic and an immigrant- my focus is on today and who right-wingers are going after today at the beck and call of their orange ogre.

(2) It wasn’t just right wing and Christian institutions of the past - they’re STILL doing it. My fault is at large with the organizations, the people themselves are more diverse. Hint: I’m a “Christian” - just against institutions that continue to do harm.

(3) You’re still playing the victim. I never said you were oppressing me (that notion is laughable) - all I said is a straight person has no clue what the world is like for lgbtq people and you don’t. That’s common sense just like I’m not poor so I don’t know what it is like being poor.

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20 Aug 2018, 3:43 pm

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03 Oct 2018, 4:28 pm

University responds to prof’s profane tweet about Kavanaugh supporters

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The president of Georgetown University is denouncing an associate professor’s wish for the “miserable deaths” of supporters of Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, saying such statements run counter to the institution’s values.

Georgetown president John DeGioia issued a statement Tuesday after associate professor C. Christine Fair tweeted on Saturday about the “chorus of entitled white men” supporting Kavanaugh’s nomination despite sexual assault allegations against him.

“All of them deserve miserable deaths while feminists laugh as they take their last gasps,” Fair’s tweet continued. “Bonus: we castrate their corpses and feed them to swine? Yes.

Fair’s tweet, which has since been deleted, prompted more than 1,000 “vile missives” to be sent to her personal and work inboxes, as well as detailed death threats, including the insertion of an explosive device into her “p—y,” she told The Post on Wednesday in an email. But it also prompted DeGioia to issue a response reiterating the university’s stance on the free exchange of ideas.

“We protect the right of our community members to exercise their freedom of expression,” DeGioia’s statement continued. “This does not mean the University endorses the content of their expression. We can and do strongly condemn the use of violent imagery, profanity, and insensitive labeling of individuals based on gender, ethnicity or political affiliation in any form of discourse. Such expressions go against our values.”

While faculty members’ speech remains protected, Georgetown is “deeply committed” to classrooms free of bias and supportive of respectful dialogue, DeGioia said.

When asked Wednesday if Fair remained employed by the university, a spokesman referred The Post to a portion of DeGioia’s statement that read: “If comments made by faculty members are determined to substantially affect their teaching, research, or University service, we will address them through established University procedures outlined in our Georgetown University Faculty Handbook.”

Fair, an associate professor in Georgetown’s Security Studies Program within its Edmund A. Walsh School of Foreign Service, told The Post that she endorsed DeGioia’s statement entirely.

“Why would I not?” she wrote. “As far as I know, nothing has changed in my status.”

Regarding the tweet in question, Fair said she had been trying to craft a message in the style of the “repugnant misogynist missives” she had received for more than a decade when she wrote it.

“In retrospect, I should have blogged about this rather than tweeting it,” her email continued. “My intention was to throw back the kind of hate I get in one of the forms I get to make people as uncomfortable as I feel. My discomfort is not caused by words. My discomfort and that of millions of women is caused by the actions that are killing women, injuring us while our perpetrators’ behavior is explained away and normalized.”

Fair’s tweet was quickly noticed by conservatives across social media, eventually catching the attention of Fox News host Tucker Carlson, who blasted Fair for calling for race-based “genocide.” But that was all part of her “experiment,” she told the Washington Post.

“Maybe this was not my most eloquent attempt,” she told the newspaper earlier this week. “And I will certainly concede I was attempting to make people feel uncomfortable.”

Still, Fair insisted the idea that she was advocating for actual violence is ridiculous.

“I set this up for Tucker Carlson,” she said. “He proved my experiment.”

Put another way, Fair, who said she was abused sexually for years as a child, said she was trying to elicit a reaction.

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03 Oct 2018, 10:15 pm

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Colorado State: 'avoid gendered emojis'

Colorado State University (CSU) has released a new social media guide, encouraging organizations on campus to make their social media "more inclusive” by “avoiding gendered emojis” and more.

The “10 Ways to Make Your Social Media Channels More Inclusive” guide was released as result of the CSU Inclusive Communications Task Force and gives a “quick guide for inclusive communications,” according to the webpage.

“Use inclusive pronouns...use the yellow emojis when addressing a diverse audience...avoid gendered emojis when possible.”

https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=11376

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03 Oct 2018, 11:14 pm

The problem with today's SJWs is that they're trying to get rid of the patriarchy. They think that there's a patriarchy to get rid of. The female SJWs don't realize that if it wasn't for men, they wouldn't be alive because it takes a man and a woman to make a child. They're fighting against men. The first wave feminists were fighting for real rights and privileges. They were fighting for jobs and careers. The ones of today are fighting against men and the white race.

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04 Oct 2018, 9:38 am

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There is a patriarchy. But eliminating patriarchy doesn't mean eliminating white men. Just limiting their power so that all people have some.

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