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06 Nov 2012, 3:56 pm

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I'm pro-life but it does seem kind of cruel to say a girl who's raped HAS to become a mom. Though on the other hand I find the idea of killing a baby because of the circumstances they were created by appalling. What do you think?


It's up to her, and ONLY her. No one should decide this for anyone else.



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06 Nov 2012, 3:57 pm

How has this got to 92 pages?

The answer is clearly "if she wants to".



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06 Nov 2012, 4:10 pm

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What if the woman is the rapist and she gets pregnent, does she still have a say over what happens to the kid or should the rape victim be the one that decides?

A rapist should never have custody over a child once it's born, but even death row inmates cannot be compelled to donate parts of their body to other people; even a female rapist should be compelled bu the state to donate her body to a zef if she doesn't want to.


So in other words you're suggesting that a female rapist has the right to kill the child that results from her having committed a crime, seems more than a little sexist don't you think.

No, I'm saying that a female rapist has the same rights as a male rapist: the right to not be forced to donate any part of their body to anyone else for any reason. If you think that we should start harvesting organs from male rapists - say, individual kidneys, chunks of lung, chunks of liver - things that will impair them and scar them for life, but that they can live without, and which some other innocent person out there cannot life without - then maybe we can start talking about forcing female rapists to have to donate their bodies, too. Think of all of the lives that could be saved with a forced organ donor pool!
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What if the male rape victim doesn't want the child killed? The woman was the rapist in this case and pregnency isn't like organ donation because in organ donations the organs are actually permanently removed, pregnency only lasts about 9 months right, you're giving a false equivalency.

Doesn't matter if the father wants to keep the kid until androbot's fantasy comes true and the zef can be transferred to his body. Also, organ donation is a good comparison because pregnancy has permanent, sometimes debilitiating, effects on a woman's body as well as being more painful and detrimental to health for 9 months than organ donation.
'Yasha, this is something that has come up in debates with you before; you seem to have this idea that pregnancy is a minor inconvenience and that once the kid is born, the woman can just go on with her life as though nothing has happened. That's not the case. As I have already mentioned twice in this thread, abortion has 1/10 the rate of fatalities as childbirth in the United States, today, and an even greater reduction in co-morbidities.
No one can use another person's body against their will. Not even if that person is a rapist or murderer, not even if they will die without it. It really is as simple as that.



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06 Nov 2012, 4:20 pm

Girls should be trained when they are young to want to have babies. Robotic dolls would be cool toys for girls to play with.



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06 Nov 2012, 4:34 pm

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Girls should be trained when they are young to want to have babies. Robotic dolls would be cool toys for girls to play with.


They already try to train young girls with baby dolls. It didn't work on me. I never wanted kids and if I could still get pregnant the second I found out I'd haul ass over to Planned Parenthood to get it sucked out of me.



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06 Nov 2012, 4:37 pm

But your baby doll can't walk. For a thousand dollars they already have motorized action figures for boys.



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06 Nov 2012, 4:40 pm

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I'm not telling anyone what to do. I'm telling women they have the RIGHT to NOT be VIOLATED.


The child also has the right to life, mechanicalgirl39, how about you read the Declaration of Independence sometime.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all rich white land owners are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. -- Declaration of Independence

I consider "men" to be in reference to humans in general and not specific to a particular gender.


Fixed.


Make that "rich white male land owners." Even White chicks couldn't vote until the 20th century.


Thanks for catching that. :wink:



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06 Nov 2012, 4:54 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
How has this got to 92 pages?

The answer is clearly "if she wants to".


A few weeks later...

The_Walrus wrote:
How has this got to 192 pages?

The answer is clearly "if she wants to".


Seriously, not a lot of new perspectives being presented...



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06 Nov 2012, 5:05 pm

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Of course I am! The difference is I can be honest about it and own up to it.


Given all the sham posts and smoke-and-mirrors acts you have given, I congratulate you for realizing you should behave on WrongPlanet the same way you behave at your trailer park.

I expect this same bravado from you the next time you talk about homosexuality. :D



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06 Nov 2012, 5:42 pm

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Girls should be trained when they are young to want to have babies. Robotic dolls would be cool toys for girls to play with.

Ooh, could we have dolls that cry, stink, and piss and crap all over themselves? That would really do the trick!
Boys should be trained when they are young to want to donate their organs. Robotic organ removal surgery suites would be cool toys for boys to play with. They could paint scars on their abdomens with body paint and talk about the wonderful people who would be receiving their kidneys and livers.



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06 Nov 2012, 5:59 pm

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Girls should be trained when they are young to want to have babies. Robotic dolls would be cool toys for girls to play with.

Oh yeah, because obviously, with over 7 billion people crowding the planet, we as a species are in danger of dying out! :roll:

Girls should be trained to realize they don't have to be mothers - or wives or girlfriends, for that matter - unless they want to be.



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06 Nov 2012, 6:30 pm

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The right to life doesn't mean the right to violate someone else to keep yourself alive.


Unfortunately for your claim there, the child did not forcibly violate your body the rapist did, and as soon as the child is able to survive in the outside environment, the child would probably have every intention of leaving anyways.

I'm also going to point out that abortions due to rape are a very small percentage of abortion cases...


So? The 'child' is inside my body against my will. Deal with it.


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06 Nov 2012, 6:31 pm

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Girls should be trained when they are young to want to have babies. Robotic dolls would be cool toys for girls to play with.


They already are. Baby dolls, yo. Didn't make me want babies.


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06 Nov 2012, 6:32 pm

LKL wrote:
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Girls should be trained when they are young to want to have babies. Robotic dolls would be cool toys for girls to play with.

Ooh, could we have dolls that cry, stink, and piss and crap all over themselves? That would really do the trick!
Boys should be trained when they are young to want to donate their organs. Robotic organ removal surgery suites would be cool toys for boys to play with. They could paint scars on their abdomens with body paint and talk about the wonderful people who would be receiving their kidneys and livers.


This.


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06 Nov 2012, 6:44 pm

LKL wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Girls should be trained when they are young to want to have babies. Robotic dolls would be cool toys for girls to play with.

Ooh, could we have dolls that cry, stink, and piss and crap all over themselves? That would really do the trick!
Boys should be trained when they are young to want to donate their organs. Robotic organ removal surgery suites would be cool toys for boys to play with. They could paint scars on their abdomens with body paint and talk about the wonderful people who would be receiving their kidneys and livers.


They had these even when I was a girl: http://www.zapfcreation.com/uk/brands-p ... baby-born/

It cries and pisses, but it doesn't stink or crap.



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06 Nov 2012, 6:47 pm

So when I am dead what do I care who gets my organs? If anything a part of me will stay alive.