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01 Mar 2017, 10:12 pm

big increase in defense budget? we already spend more than the next ten countries combined. lining lockheed's coffers, etc. according to eisenhauer every weapon made is a theft from a child who needs food or education.



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01 Mar 2017, 10:33 pm

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big increase in defense budget? we already spend more than the next ten countries combined. lining lockheed's coffers, etc. according to eisenhauer every weapon made is a theft from a child who needs food or education.

Lockheed Martin is one of many defense contractors. Each of those major defense contractors have suppliers who also have suppliers, who have suppliers, etc. All of them individually employ a hell of a lot of people who feed and house their children with those incomes.
But I guess if it's not government handouts it doesn't count, eh?
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01 Mar 2017, 10:38 pm

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big increase in defense budget? we already spend more than the next ten countries combined. lining lockheed's coffers, etc. according to eisenhauer every weapon made is a theft from a child who needs food or education.

The same people who demand a flawless immigration policy want a similar level of control over anyone who threatens US corporate interests. The US military and intelligence communities have a record of projecting power to protect corporate interests.

Please, people, learn about the School of the Americas, the US school which taught, among other things, torture and methods to disrupt peaceful protests with provocateurs. The students were the special forces of the worst monsters in the Americas, but only those on the right wing. The left wing monsters got their training elsewhere, obviously.

You'll definitely find connections with the Zetas, for example.


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01 Mar 2017, 10:40 pm

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cathylynn wrote:
big increase in defense budget? we already spend more than the next ten countries combined. lining lockheed's coffers, etc. according to eisenhauer every weapon made is a theft from a child who needs food or education.

Lockheed Martin is one of many defense contractors. Each of those major defense contractors have suppliers who also have suppliers, who have suppliers, etc. All of them individually employ a hell of a lot of people who feed and house their children with those incomes.
But I guess if it's not government handouts it doesn't count, eh?
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Handouts aren't handouts if you like the people who get them? Certainly, you see the way defense contractors exploit Uncle Sam.


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01 Mar 2017, 10:46 pm

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cathylynn wrote:
big increase in defense budget? we already spend more than the next ten countries combined. lining lockheed's coffers, etc. according to eisenhauer every weapon made is a theft from a child who needs food or education.

Lockheed Martin is one of many defense contractors. Each of those major defense contractors have suppliers who also have suppliers, who have suppliers, etc. All of them individually employ a hell of a lot of people who feed and house their children with those incomes.
But I guess if it's not government handouts it doesn't count, eh?
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Handouts aren't handouts if you like the people who get them? Certainly, you see the way defense contractors exploit Uncle Sam.


Power does have its privileges.


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01 Mar 2017, 10:50 pm

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cathylynn wrote:
big increase in defense budget? we already spend more than the next ten countries combined. lining lockheed's coffers, etc. according to eisenhauer every weapon made is a theft from a child who needs food or education.

Lockheed Martin is one of many defense contractors. Each of those major defense contractors have suppliers who also have suppliers, who have suppliers, etc. All of them individually employ a hell of a lot of people who feed and house their children with those incomes.
But I guess if it's not government handouts it doesn't count, eh?
:roll:


It still welfare, although to corporations, rather than people. If you want to eliminate personal welfare, them damnit, eliminate corporations that suck on the same government welfare teat.



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01 Mar 2017, 11:06 pm

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cathylynn wrote:
big increase in defense budget? we already spend more than the next ten countries combined. lining lockheed's coffers, etc. according to eisenhauer every weapon made is a theft from a child who needs food or education.

Lockheed Martin is one of many defense contractors. Each of those major defense contractors have suppliers who also have suppliers, who have suppliers, etc. All of them individually employ a hell of a lot of people who feed and house their children with those incomes.
But I guess if it's not government handouts it doesn't count, eh?
:roll:


It still welfare, although to corporations, rather than people. If you want to eliminate personal welfare, them damnit, eliminate corporations that suck on the same government welfare teat.


Hardly
Welfare from government handouts buys stuff at Wal-Mart and low income area rent. Earned income from defense contractors buys cars, higher end commodities not commonly found at Wal-Mart, buying homes,etc.

BTW: I saw your comment about what you wanted me to do with an AK-47 a few days ago but didnt get to reply before you (or the mods) deleted it. :P


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01 Mar 2017, 11:23 pm

Raptor wrote:
cathylynn wrote:
big increase in defense budget? we already spend more than the next ten countries combined. lining lockheed's coffers, etc. according to eisenhauer every weapon made is a theft from a child who needs food or education.

Lockheed Martin is one of many defense contractors. Each of those major defense contractors have suppliers who also have suppliers, who have suppliers, etc. All of them individually employ a hell of a lot of people who feed and house their children with those incomes.
But I guess if it's not government handouts it doesn't count, eh?
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that IS a government handout and most of it goes to rich investors. just another example of upward redistribution of wealth, not something i'm happy to do with my tax dollars.



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02 Mar 2017, 12:53 am

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Liberal boogeyman don't hold up when held against the light, people that have actually listened to Trump speak are never surprised by his performances. Trump is a gifted orator and he has amazing speech writers, Stephen Miller has been a guy on my radar since the first time I saw him and he's delivered when counted on to write Trump's biggest speeches. Other people have noticed this which is why they have tried to target Miller, they don't attack the people they aren't afraid of and don't challenge their status quo.

CNN being forced to give Trump some positive coverage is pretty funny, they can't hide the pained look on their faces.

I have a lot of high hopes for what Trump can get done, Democrats need to work with him as he is not a traditional Republican and can reasoned with if treated with respect. Do Democrats care about their constituents or do they only cynically care about power & politics? They need their voice in crafting a replacement to Obamacare, they need their voice when crafting an infrastructure bill, trade or any number of things too so the time for their petty 'resistance' should be over as there is real work to get done.


I suspect someone wrote this speech for him, instead of letting him fly off the handle like he usually does.


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02 Mar 2017, 1:05 am

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jrjones9933 wrote:
Raptor wrote:
cathylynn wrote:
big increase in defense budget? we already spend more than the next ten countries combined. lining lockheed's coffers, etc. according to eisenhauer every weapon made is a theft from a child who needs food or education.

Lockheed Martin is one of many defense contractors. Each of those major defense contractors have suppliers who also have suppliers, who have suppliers, etc. All of them individually employ a hell of a lot of people who feed and house their children with those incomes.
But I guess if it's not government handouts it doesn't count, eh?
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Handouts aren't handouts if you like the people who get them? Certainly, you see the way defense contractors exploit Uncle Sam.


Power does have its privileges.

For real? That's f*****g pathetic.


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02 Mar 2017, 1:13 am

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There were many great Presidents who weren't "gifted orators."

One example: Harry Truman.

George Washington wasn't regarded as a "gifted orator" when he was President.

Trump is a guy whose appeal lies in the fact that he "talks from the hip."

Obama was a relatively gifted orator, but a very average President.

If Trump were a "gifted orator," I doubt that he would have been elected, frankly.


His uncouth manner definitely managed to work in his favor.


people seem to like it when they are spoken to sincerely, and on the spot. one of his jabs at clinton during the campaign that i remember the most, was making fun of her use of a teleprompter.

i have no idea if she did rely on one or not, but being read to from a script doesn't have the same psychological effect that a more personal, one on one manner does. maybe trump got closer to that. he was uncouth, the people felt uncouth, and they wanted someone who could relate. i have to give it to him.

what does "being a gifted orator" exactly mean, in this case? a form of prescriptivism? if his speaking manner was a major factor in earning him the followers that propelled him to la casa blanca, then i'd say he is a fantastic orator, at least to them.


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02 Mar 2017, 2:29 am

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There was a "surge" in the 1920s. That led to the Great Depression.

That's where we are on the Shiller Price to earnings ratio chart.

We are near "Black Tuesday" 1929's level.

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02 Mar 2017, 2:50 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Liberal boogeyman don't hold up when held against the light, people that have actually listened to Trump speak are never surprised by his performances. Trump is a gifted orator and he has amazing speech writers, Stephen Miller has been a guy on my radar since the first time I saw him and he's delivered when counted on to write Trump's biggest speeches. Other people have noticed this which is why they have tried to target Miller, they don't attack the people they aren't afraid of and don't challenge their status quo.

CNN being forced to give Trump some positive coverage is pretty funny, they can't hide the pained look on their faces.

I have a lot of high hopes for what Trump can get done, Democrats need to work with him as he is not a traditional Republican and can reasoned with if treated with respect. Do Democrats care about their constituents or do they only cynically care about power & politics? They need their voice in crafting a replacement to Obamacare, they need their voice when crafting an infrastructure bill, trade or any number of things too so the time for their petty 'resistance' should be over as there is real work to get done.


I suspect someone wrote this speech for him, instead of letting him fly off the handle like he usually does.


I love your cynicism, seriously :)



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02 Mar 2017, 2:54 am

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Liberal boogeyman don't hold up when held against the light, people that have actually listened to Trump speak are never surprised by his performances. Trump is a gifted orator and he has amazing speech writers, Stephen Miller has been a guy on my radar since the first time I saw him and he's delivered when counted on to write Trump's biggest speeches. Other people have noticed this which is why they have tried to target Miller, they don't attack the people they aren't afraid of and don't challenge their status quo.

CNN being forced to give Trump some positive coverage is pretty funny, they can't hide the pained look on their faces.

I have a lot of high hopes for what Trump can get done, Democrats need to work with him as he is not a traditional Republican and can reasoned with if treated with respect. Do Democrats care about their constituents or do they only cynically care about power & politics? They need their voice in crafting a replacement to Obamacare, they need their voice when crafting an infrastructure bill, trade or any number of things too so the time for their petty 'resistance' should be over as there is real work to get done.


I suspect someone wrote this speech for him, instead of letting him fly off the handle like he usually does.


I love your cynicism, seriously :)


Cynicism or not, I'm only taking into consideration Trump's loony, disjointed, rambling speeches on the campaign trail in comparison.


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02 Mar 2017, 7:59 am

Thank you, Mr. D., for trying to get this thread back on track.

Now, let's get down to business.....

The Demos are pulling more crap again. :roll:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/02/u ... crats.html

Democrats Call for Sessions to Recuse Himself From Russia Inquiry

From the article :

"A spokeswoman for the Justice Department, Sarah Isgur Flores, said “there was absolutely nothing misleading” about Mr. Sessions’s answers at his confirmation hearing"

"But Democrats were unassuaged. In a statement, Mr. Franken called Mr. Sessions’s testimony “at best misleading,” noting, “It’s clearer than ever now that the attorney general cannot, in good faith, oversee an investigation at the Department of Justice and the F.B.I. of the Trump-Russia connection, and he must recuse himself immediately.”

"And Representative Elijah E. Cummings of Maryland, the ranking Democrat on the House Oversight Committee, went further, calling for Mr. Sessions to resign because he let a “demonstrably false” statement stand for weeks without correcting the public record."

"Shortly before midnight on Wednesday, a White House official backed up Mr. Sessions’s explanation that he had met with the Russian ambassador as part of his duties in the Senate before becoming attorney general."

You know what I say about this crap? We need to screw the Democrats and become friends with the Russians. Right now, I trust the Russians more than our own people. Our real enemies are on US soil right under our damn noses. This is why Trump is having a problem doing his job so he needs to just go around the Democrats and act like they don't exist. They're no good to him except for causing more problems.


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02 Mar 2017, 8:00 am

I've heard many claims of trying to get permabanned by way of inappropriate behavior. When they all knew perfectly well being forum veterans, all they had to do was ask. "Just asked instead of acting like a dick head" as the inimitable TallyMan once put it.