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Choose one of following:
I am very concerned about the preservation of white heritage/race 8%  8%  [ 16 ]
I believe the above concern is unfounded and racist 54%  54%  [ 104 ]
I think the view in option #1 raises some good issues, but SOME people take it too far 13%  13%  [ 25 ]
I think the view in option #1 raises some good issues, but MANY people take it too far 8%  8%  [ 15 ]
show me the money (view results) 17%  17%  [ 32 ]
Total votes : 192

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30 Jul 2015, 9:11 pm

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Why do people assume only Caucasions can be racist? Racism is racism. I don't see why the poll was put in the perspective of white supremacy.


I'd guess the poll assumes only white people are reading or will vote.


But surely that assumption itself would be casual though probably unconscious racism? I think we need to be clear on definitions, and start to reconsider assumptions. It is too easy for debates to get bogged down in vitriolic ranting and mutual name-calling, which does not exactly advance the cause of world harmony. Wrong Planet is patronised by people on the Autistic Spectrum including Asperger's Syndrome and their sympathetic relatives from a range of nations, many of which themselves have populations from a range of different ethnic backgrounds, with many more than fluent enough in English to understand the poll. Of course there are many instances of racism in cultures where the ethnic majority is not by any stretch of the imagination white, and arguably even positive stereotypes are subtle forms of racism, but it is vitally important that we discuss this in a civil manner without resorting to knee-jerk responses.


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31 Jul 2015, 4:11 am

Pepe wrote:
qué?


LoveNotHate included non-English speakers in her list of people she doesn't want to have anything to do with or to live anywhere near, so I told her, "You can run, but you can't hide". Of course, not saying it in English was the whole point.


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03 Aug 2015, 7:50 am

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Pepe wrote:
qué?


Of course, not saying it in English was the whole point.


So was "qué"... :mrgreen:



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03 Aug 2015, 8:54 am

I choose the top option because I am not politically correct. I should not have to expect being called a "racist" for saying I am proud to be white when it's perfectly fine for Asians, Blacks, and Native Americans to say the same.



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03 Aug 2015, 1:03 pm

Preserving cultural heritage by telling people how to live their lives goes against their personal freedom and is therefore tyrannical.

Preserving racial heritage by telling people whom they can breed with is even more tyrannical.


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04 Aug 2015, 12:30 am

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I choose the top option because I am not politically correct. I should not have to expect being called a "racist" for saying I am proud to be white when it's perfectly fine for Asians, Blacks, and Native Americans to say the same.


Jawohl...
Point taken...

And consider:
Caucies are sometimes at the end of reverse discrimination...

"The term reverse discrimination may sound complicated, but it boils down to a type of discrimination wherein the victims of discrimination are members of a majority or historically "advantaged" group. Often, reverse discrimination cases involve programs meant to advance or promote minorities and address inequality, such as affirmative action.

Because anti-discrimination laws were originally enacted to prevent discrimination against minorities and groups that were historically disadvantaged and denied opportunities in the workplace, there has sometimes existed a perception that members of majority groups are not protected by the same laws. As a result, the term "reverse discrimination" originated to describe these kinds of cases where members of a majority group are claiming they were discriminated against in favor of minorities or historically disadvantaged groups.
- See more at: http://employment.findlaw.com/employmen ... NhpBr.dpuf"

Also:
It seems at times that (Heidi) "whities" can't look sideways or they will be labelled racist...

And I won't mention political correctness on steroids...
And the inequalities associated with it...

Oops...
I just did... :mrgreen:



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04 Aug 2015, 5:42 am

1. Everyone is racist. No exception. Most just aren't honest about it.

2. I am worried about "white" culture because it's marginalized.

I grew up in south Florida. "White" culture consisted of Polish, Germans, Italians, Irish, etc. It wasn't Anglo-Saxon White Protestants (WASPs).

Then, the Hispanic population exploded thanks to the Mariel boatlift. I watched "white" become a non-existent part of the region's culture in about 5 years. You had "black," "Hispanic" and "white." All the rich varieties of cultures were lumped together and dismissed on the whole while "Hispanic" was the rage...as if they were the only culture that had anything to offer.

Disturbing how nobody felt that doing that to all of these other ethnic groups wasn't "racist."



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04 Aug 2015, 9:58 pm

"Scientists in the Genome Laboratory at WIT are conducting ground-breaking DNA research that proves people of a racist nature are born without the crucial “Chromosome 23,” and that racism is, in fact, a Human Genetic Disorder." - See more at: http://witscience.org/racist-can-blame- ... l7YzU.dpuf

First I have heard about it...
Not convinced at this stage, but hopefully the truth shall prevail...

"In sociology, the term ethnic nepotism describes a human tendency for in-group bias or in-group favouritism applied by nepotism for people with the same ethnicity within a multi-ethnic society."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_nepotism

This makes more sense to me...



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05 Aug 2015, 10:21 am

I can honestly say I´m not a racist. I truly don´t think any ethnicity is above another.

Having said that, I do think there are good and bad in every culture. And I do find some cultures more interesting and sympathetic than others but it´s just a matter of taste, on a more should I say superficial level.

The ethnic nepotism Pepe mentions is just a natural fenomenon the way I see it, man being an lazy animal: the more similar you are, the less energy you use on communication.



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05 Aug 2015, 10:57 am

KagamineLen wrote:
Everybody on the planet has prejudice, xenophobia, and racism within them. Anybody who says otherwise is incapable of being truly honest with themselves.

Branding it with a mark of shame only breeds further resentment and does nobody any good. It does need to be dealt with, but there are level-headed ways of going about it for most people.
I both agree and disagree. We have to have a certain amount of suspicion towards the world around us, it´s a necessary part of our survival instinct. But prejudice can be about anything, race/ethnicity is only one of the ways.



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06 Aug 2015, 12:19 pm

Why, when it comes to racism, only white people are racists? 8O Frankly, if you want to talk about racism, be honest about it and talk about racists of all ethnicities. As far as there being a racist gene, give me a break! You learn to be a racist, and the only way you can you can inherit it is to learn it at home.


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06 Aug 2015, 12:33 pm

Well that statement raises some points...but first off there isn't even just one white heritage, people talk about the white race like all pale skinned people have the same heritage. So by preserving the white heritage, which one are they referring to? There are many white heritages. As for racial preservation...what happens happens but pretty sure there will remain people of different colors/shades I certainly would say some people take the 'we have to preserve white heritage' too far like thinking it morally wrong for people to have interracial relationships, thinking that means anything and everything white people have done is worth 'preserving' regardless of its negative impact.

I myself am mostly white and part native american. One example of 'white heritage preservation' I think they could do away with is Columbus day, why celebrate a man notorious for turning the lives of the people he met in the americas into a living hell especially when the guy thought he was in India and misnamed natives 'indians'. I don't have any family/ancestors in India thank you very much. On the other hand I find aspects of the white heritages I am from interesting and certainly worth preserving....same with plenty aspects of native heritage.


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06 Aug 2015, 12:38 pm

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Despite my extensive arguing about "racism and doublethink", I'm not actually racist and don't hold racist views. I do see everyone as equal until they prove otherwise themselves. But I think that preserving culture in general is important, and not just white culture; Every culture is valuable and should be preserved. But I don't see skin colour as a factor in preserving culture, an Indian girl can be as British as a white person imo. But I think if someone moves to a country they should adopt that culture, as I don't like the idea of national cultures being diluted to the point that visiting england is the same as visiting france, apart from the language difference


I guess what I don't entirely get about this view point is...for instance in the U.S what culture do we even have? I don't really see a defined culture to adopt to really. Whereas in places like france or Great Britan there is more of one so I can see places like that wanting forieneirs to at least respect the culture...though I think it would be ridiculous for said countries to demand immigrants shed all their foreign heritage and pose as being of only French or British heritage for instance. So I do kind of get it, but I don't see it applying too much in the U.S. or other places with such a mixed culture already.


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06 Aug 2015, 12:41 pm

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Why, when it comes to racism, only white people are racists? 8O Frankly, if you want to talk about racism, be honest about it and talk about racists of all ethnicities. As far as there being a racist gene, give me a break! You learn to be a racist, and the only way you can you can inherit it is to learn it at home.


beat me to it.


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06 Aug 2015, 6:58 pm

glebel wrote:
Why, when it comes to racism, only white people are racists? 8O Frankly, if you want to talk about racism, be honest about it and talk about racists of all ethnicities. As far as there being a racist gene, give me a break! You learn to be a racist, and the only way you can you can inherit it is to learn it at home.


Pre-WWII (within modern history), Caucasian societies dominated the world stage. Japan was the notable exception...
Those in a position of power are in a better position to discriminate...


I agree...
Tribalism is an inherent aspect of all establish homogeneous communities...
The same applies in nature where different animal "tribes" compete for the limited food/water resources...
Most dominant animal groups will defend their "turf" to defend their group's survival...


Yes, "nurture" is a significant aspect on how the "naked ape" behaves...
However, humans are/were governed by the same evolutionary pressures of survival as are/were our animal cousins...
Simply look at the inherent violence in evidence in the specie's history and current events...

There is an inherent propensity to default to a mob mentality when the veil of civilization is removed, à la "Lord of the flies"
"At an allegorical level, the central theme is the conflicting human impulses toward civilization—living by rules, peacefully and in harmony—and toward the will to power. Themes include the tension between groupthink and individuality, between rational and emotional reactions, and between morality and immorality."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_the_Flies

"Although humans exhibit strong preferences for equity and moral prohibitions against harm in many contexts, people's priorities change when there is an 'us' and a 'them,'"
http://www.medicaldaily.com/mob-mentali ... ups-288342

“Neither a man nor a crowd nor a nation can be trusted to act humanely or to think sanely under the influence of a great fear.”
― Bertrand Russell, Unpopular Essays

“Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd.”
― Bertrand Russell, Unpopular Essays

http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/herd-mentality

"Know that when you refuse to conform your brain is going to alert you with “Error! Error! Undo immediately and reward me!” Be aware that this is the reptilian part of your brain kicking in from days when conformity to the tribe was literally a life or death choice."
http://sherifaye.hubpages.com/hub/Mob-Mentality



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06 Aug 2015, 7:10 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:

I guess what I don't entirely get about this view point is...for instance in the U.S what culture do we even have? I don't really see a defined culture to adopt to really.