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08 Mar 2013, 7:45 pm

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Capitalists don't believe in non-agression. Private property is ultimately a result of violence. Capitalism requires compulsory monopolies of violence to exist, this is why anarcho-capitalism is an oxymoron.

who is to say violence couldnt be privatised?

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08 Mar 2013, 7:55 pm

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who is to say violence couldnt be privatised?

Private defense agency is just another way of saying state army or police state.

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08 Mar 2013, 8:08 pm

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who is to say violence couldnt be privatised?

Private defense agency is just another way of saying state army or police state.

not necessarilly. Private military or police mercenaries could be the 'mcdonalds' of corporate thuggery.

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08 Mar 2013, 8:26 pm

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thomas81 wrote:

RushKing wrote:

who is to say violence couldnt be privatised?

Private defense agency is just another way of saying state army or police state.

not necessarilly. Private military or police mercenaries could be the 'mcdonalds' of corporate thuggery.

I don't know where you are going here, but if the Mexican drug cartel overthrowed the Mexican government, do you agree that a totalitarian state would form? They are the closest thing to an ancap business I can think of.

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08 Mar 2013, 8:31 pm

play Metal Gear Solid 4 and you'll get a taste of what I mean.

a dystopian projection of wars fought by private military corporations. Could be close to reality if untethered capitalism is allowed to run rickshaw.

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08 Mar 2013, 8:52 pm

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I don't have a ps3 but have you played Bioshock? I'm playing it on my PC right now, this game has pretty ancap setting. And it seems like everyone in this underwater city called Rapture gets controlled by Andrew Ryan because they're on "his property". At the entrance I saw a protest sign laying around saying "Andrew doesn't own us" and you can assume this dude got killed along with all the other protesters.

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09 Mar 2013, 1:55 pm

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Anarcho-capitalism with private military corporations would be legalized gangland to the umpteenth power. Just like thugs claiming ownership over their corner of "the hood" and shooting "trespassers" from rival gangs. I mean, according to the "non-aggression-principle" a "property owner" has absolute right force anyone existing on his/her land to do whatever he/she demands. Disobeying your landlord amounts to violation of a contract which is "initiation of force" against the rightful owner. He/she should then have the right to evict you at which point you may be labelled a "trespasser" eligible to be forcibly removed or shot by the hired private militia. You could theoretically evict an entire city and then commit genocide when they refuse to move because they have nowhere to go.

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09 Mar 2013, 2:13 pm

[quote="RushKing"

Capitalism and statism are inseparable. The two go hand in hand.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PWZGyRW5rw[/youtube][/quote]

Humans have traded with each other for at least 50,000 years. It indicates a natural mode of human operation. Even "lower" primates trade favors such as grooming and food.

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09 Mar 2013, 3:22 pm

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Humans have traded with each other for at least 50,000 years. It indicates a natural mode of human operation. Even "lower" primates trade favors such as grooming and food.

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Trading isn't capitalism. I think most hunter gatherers were a cross between some sort of primitive communism and market socialism. Elements of market socialism can exist within an anarcho-communist society.

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09 Mar 2013, 7:53 pm

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I'm an Aspie and I'm a Communist and I'm proud to be both. I hate democracy. It is a total con. The only thing that matters is fairness. Giving power to the masses isn't fairness.

Fairness is having all working people having equal rights and equal wages. Fairness is having a means to control this that can't be hijacked by popular idiots of the sort that most often win people's hearts and minds in democracies.

The only way for Communism to succeed is through force. That is the only thing that scares people properly. If you give people the choice to be corrupt and have plenty at the expense of environment, families, communities, education, culture and all that is good then most people, being scum, will choose wrongly.

That is why it is vital that Communists don't be pushovers. We need guns and armies. We need to shoot businessmen who won't reform, put in camps people who won't live morally atheistic lives.

We need to force through changes before humanity is wiped out by carbon emissions spiralling out of control. Before mankind is wiped out by poverty spreading like a disease that just won't stop.

Caring is what matters. Soul is what matters. Letting conmen lie is not the right thing to do. All Aspies who stand with me, who want to be Communists or are Communists too, reply and we can begin to organise action.

And let it be known we aren't going to be walked over. We will scare you. We will make you face the depravity of your lives. We will use guns and blood will be shed but it will be an honourable fight.

I myself am both an aspie, and a Communist. However I feel that Communism is rightly democracy taken to it's fullest expression. This treatise, by Lenin, aptly describes the Communist conception of the state. http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/ I've come to my present political position after reading not only the Communist Manifesto, but also the U.S.S.R. Constitution, with it's bill of rights. I can certainly see why various persons through out the ages have decided to identify with the Marxist-Leninist ideology. And,in principle anyway, so do I. I feel also that the U.S.S.R. had a good approach when it came to disability rights, and opportunities, from what I've read.

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09 Mar 2013, 8:16 pm

I am a far left wing person. Not the american kind of left wing. The european kind.

Communism is an utopia. It was Che Guevara who said that utopias are impossible, but they are what we should fight for. While romantic in its purpose, it's a representative sentence of what is the problem with communism. It starts by saying that it is impossible. So the conclusion should be that we shouldn't fight for it. Yet, the soviet and maoist regimes took the "fight" part seriously and killed millions of people. The point is that in the name of an utopia really horrible and terrible crimes of genocide happened.

The world is unfair. It's because we're humans. It is preferable to have a system that allows unfairness and minimizes it through social policies, like in the nordic countries, than to strive for something that will never happen: a perfect world.

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09 Mar 2013, 9:05 pm

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I disagree, the main issue with pure communism is defense. Once fascist and totalitarian leaders see people can create a free communist society they often invade and try to crush it as it shows the world that there is another way and therefore threatens their power structures. That's basically what happened to the free territory of Ukraine and the anarcho-communist territory in Catalonia. If the US were to go anarchist I think it could start a domino effect because I don't think many countries would have the balls to invade us.

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09 Mar 2013, 9:27 pm

the problem with communism is that is another iteration of the price system. Any economic system that uses or fails to demand the removal of arbitrary units of trade (including capitalism) is doomed to failure.

we need a resource based economy.

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09 Mar 2013, 9:33 pm

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Anarcho-communism IS resource based.

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09 Mar 2013, 9:43 pm

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the problem with communism is ...

... it just doesn't work over the long term.

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09 Mar 2013, 10:29 pm

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thomas81 wrote:

the problem with communism is ...

... it just doesn't work over the long term.

And the next question is why? My answer: most people put their own personal interests or the interests of their family prior to the good of the community. My litmus test question is this: if your kid and the neighbor's kid were both drowning and you could only save one, which one would you save? I think the answer in 99.9999 percent of the cases is quite obvious. Humans are naturally selfish (not necessarily in a nasty way) and look to their own interests first.

Communism/Socialism demands a degree of altruism and subordination of self that most people are incapable of practicing.

If humans could be transformed into a mammalian version of ants, bees or wasps, then maybe socialism or communism could succeed. Humans are social animals, but they or NOT hive animals.

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