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Is racism acceptable if it is against "whites"?
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Dox47
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10 Sep 2010, 8:20 pm

If we truly wish to live in a colorblind society, we need to be serious about never taking color into account when it comes to our official policies. When we take race into account even in a benign or benevolent way, we open the door on it being acceptable to do so in other, not so benign/benevolent ways. We also reinforce the very idea that racism is so pervasive that minorities need a government supplied hammer to get anywhere, which is insulting to everyone involved and pisses people off. Better to admit that some racism is still out there and let it work itself out than to foster far more of it through demeaning policies that imply that one set of people are a bunch of racists and that the other can only succeed when they're given a lower bar than everyone else.


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11 Sep 2010, 7:29 am

Dox47 wrote:
If we truly wish to live in a colorblind society, we need to be serious about never taking color into account when it comes to our official policies. When we take race into account even in a benign or benevolent way, we open the door on it being acceptable to do so in other, not so benign/benevolent ways. We also reinforce the very idea that racism is so pervasive that minorities need a government supplied hammer to get anywhere, which is insulting to everyone involved and pisses people off. Better to admit that some racism is still out there and let it work itself out than to foster far more of it through demeaning policies that imply that one set of people are a bunch of racists and that the other can only succeed when they're given a lower bar than everyone else.


One of the interesting things to notice is the race is a purely accidental matter. No one chooses his parents nor his natural hair and skin color. It is actually irrelevant. On the other hand one's upbringing a values are very relevant. And on top of that there is nearly a zero correlation between skin color and hair texture on the one hand and moral/ethical quality on the other. The latter is a result of upbringing.

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11 Sep 2010, 10:15 am

Dox47 wrote:
If we truly wish to live in a colorblind society, we need to be serious about never taking color into account when it comes to our official policies. When we take race into account even in a benign or benevolent way, we open the door on it being acceptable to do so in other, not so benign/benevolent ways. We also reinforce the very idea that racism is so pervasive that minorities need a government supplied hammer to get anywhere, which is insulting to everyone involved and pisses people off. Better to admit that some racism is still out there and let it work itself out than to foster far more of it through demeaning policies that imply that one set of people are a bunch of racists and that the other can only succeed when they're given a lower bar than everyone else.
but... there is no evidence that any of these have things actually happened. you are just speaking some worst-case-scenario fears of what you think could happen. there is a difference there.


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11 Sep 2010, 10:18 am

ruveyn wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
If we truly wish to live in a colorblind society, we need to be serious about never taking color into account when it comes to our official policies. When we take race into account even in a benign or benevolent way, we open the door on it being acceptable to do so in other, not so benign/benevolent ways. We also reinforce the very idea that racism is so pervasive that minorities need a government supplied hammer to get anywhere, which is insulting to everyone involved and pisses people off. Better to admit that some racism is still out there and let it work itself out than to foster far more of it through demeaning policies that imply that one set of people are a bunch of racists and that the other can only succeed when they're given a lower bar than everyone else.


One of the interesting things to notice is the race is a purely accidental matter. No one chooses his parents nor his natural hair and skin color. It is actually irrelevant. On the other hand one's upbringing a values are very relevant. And on top of that there is nearly a zero correlation between skin color and hair texture on the one hand and moral/ethical quality on the other. The latter is a result of upbringing.

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It's when that upbringing emphasizes the utterly irrelevant non-optional differences as if they were paramount, that is when things turn sour.