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03 Oct 2011, 11:19 am

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not what i read at all.

i read a well formulated argument detailing why israel has a technological and military advantage, the small area of israel also helps in this regard.

nothing regarding any values of human life

You guys are missing the point, some of the governments over there don't care how many of their own people die. When you are fighting someone that considers his own people to be nothing more than cannon fodder, having the technological edge doesn't matter because they don't care how many of their people die.

Sorry not all of us have the ability to read with the eyes of faith.
Take off the ideological goggles and think.
Is Israel safer with angry crippled neighbor pseudo-state or a state they can trade with?
I say let Palestine become a state then dominate them economically. :twisted:

put factories there make use of the cheap labor.
make money not war. :lol:

The Fatah can be reasoned with but f**k Hamas

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05 Oct 2011, 4:54 pm

^^ there will be not much of Fatah soon.

Israelis don't want the 2 states solution because war itself is the oxygen of their nation. They need war to get funds and support from US. They need war so they still hope to "restore" (to be more historically accurate, to re-invade) the biblical kingdom's lands , between the red sea and the river of Euphrates. Israel was established to achieve this dream, they won't give it up easily.

All these arguments that a Palestinian state would threaten Israel's existence ("OMFG , Palestinians have a state now = they're X1000 stronger now! we will annihilated!!") ...are just lame and nonsense empty excuses.

Period.

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05 Oct 2011, 5:14 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

^^ there will be not much of Fatah soon.

Israelis don't want the 2 states solution because war itself is the oxygen of their nation. They need war to get funds and support from US. They need war so they still hope to "restore" (to be more historically accurate, to re-invade) the biblical kingdom's lands , between the red sea and the river of Euphrates. Israel was established to achieve this dream, they won't give it up easily.

All these arguments that a Palestinian state would threaten Israel's existence ("OMFG , Palestinians have a state now, they're X1000 stronger now! we will annihilated!!) ...are just lame and nonsense empty excuses.

Period.

I support this statement.

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06 Oct 2011, 10:21 am

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One might just as easily argue that the Palestinians don't wnat a state, because their ongoing repression is the oxygen of their nation. The moment they become a nation state, Saudi and Iran will happily leave them to twist in the wind, directing their considerable financial support elsewhere.

This type of speculation is foolish, it's dangerous and what's more, it does not one thing to help the Palestinian people. It's all very well to be a partisan supporter of Palestinians, it's quite another to sit back from a position of relative comfort and do nothing but snipe at Israel. A peaceful settlement for all people in the middle east requires rapprochement and that will not be achieved by demonizing any of the participants.

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06 Oct 2011, 10:35 am

Here is the main biological fact. The Palestinians are outbreeding the Jews. A one state solution means the end of Israel as a "Jewish State" or a state controlled primarily by Jews. Once Jews lose control they will be reduced to second class status in a unified state which will be controlled by non-Jews (nay anti-Jews).

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06 Oct 2011, 10:41 am

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Exactly that is way the thinking Jew wants a two state solution as soon as possible.

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06 Oct 2011, 3:06 pm

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Flash back to the "good old days," eh?

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08 Oct 2011, 5:33 pm

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I am glad Inuyasha pointed out about the nuclear bombs. Israel has plenty, Palestine does not. Israel will be just fine.

That's fine if you want to put Israel in a position of having to consider using nuclear weapons in situations where that would have previously been considered absurd.

Why should they have the privilege of not being put into that situation? The US certainly do not enjoy that privilege. Plus they acquired the nukes, so we should assume that they are already potty-trained and able to handle such situation.

[[ It is a silly counter-argument anyway. Nukes are not meant to be used (duh). They give you leverage. Israel has military leverage over Palestine, so let us stop pretending like they would really be at risk if Palestine was considered an official nation. So what will really happen is not that Israel will be forced to use nukes in a ridiculous situation, what will happen is that Palestine will avoid that situation (like they had already). ]]

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08 Oct 2011, 9:55 pm

I don't care how many promises the Palestinians make of peace if they get their way. Their leaders are practically psycho and will not stop until they completely destroy Israel and drive the Jews into the sea. Every time we give them an inch they take a mile. That country is like Cartman from south park. You can never please him. Its time the world put its foot down and told them to lay off. Offer them land in any other place they cry. They want what the Jews have and will stop at nothing to destroy them and take what does not belong to them. Remember Nazi Germany. Well its still going. Many Arabs consider themselves a master race superior to the rest of the world and it is their goal to force the world to submit to Islam or die.

Qur’an:9:5 - “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”

Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”

Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”

Do you want to argue against the very words of their prophet Mohammad as to rather or not they will violently kill and destroy until everything belongs to them. They will then turn toward each other as a beast cannot escape his own nature just because his prey is driven away.

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08 Oct 2011, 10:25 pm

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so I guess you lied about being a "moderate"eh?

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08 Oct 2011, 10:27 pm

Whatever

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08 Oct 2011, 10:34 pm

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Whats wrong billy Joe. My moderate views extremist to your far leftist ideology. Ahhh so sad. Maybe you should go take a nap on your confederate flag.

Wait a minute...

Nobody tell Raptor!

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08 Oct 2011, 10:45 pm

Vigilans wrote:

Scythe wrote:

Whats wrong billy Joe. My moderate views extremist to your far leftist ideology. Ahhh so sad. Maybe you should go take a nap on your confederate flag.

Wait a minute...

Nobody tell Raptor!

It looks like Inuyasha has budded.

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08 Oct 2011, 11:15 pm

@ Vigilans & JakobVirgil

Okay so Scythe does some research and pulls out specific items from the Quran (sp?) and you and have to turn around and personally attack both him and myself. I think Scythe just won the debate.

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08 Oct 2011, 11:23 pm

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Yes because badly translated cherry-picked suras cited without context
and calling Arabs Nazis are how moderates work now?
I guess yall built a better strawman so you win?
I did not know there was a prize?

copy and paste Propaganda != Research

How is showing similarity an insult? (unless you have a really low opinion of yourself.)

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08 Oct 2011, 11:25 pm

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How am I attacking him (or you)? I didn't even say anything about his references, I was more interested in his post that somehow connects far left ideology with the Confederacy

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