Why do people disapprove of homosexuality?

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What is the primary reason for disapproval of homosexuality?

Religion	36%	[ 40 ]
Fear that homosexuals will be attracted to YOU	3%	[ 3 ]
Fear of disintegrating gender roles	10%	[ 11 ]
Male fear of gay anal rape	5%	[ 5 ]
Homosexual intercourse cannot produce children	4%	[ 4 ]
It just icks people out	18%	[ 20 ]
It defies social norms	10%	[ 11 ]
Other (please explain below)	15%	[ 16 ]

Total votes : 110

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29 Dec 2011, 2:18 pm

Tequila wrote:

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Homosexual people do, however, have children and are raising them in their families.

But they can't produce children with their partner. Outside people and agencies have to be brought in to achieve this.

You mean, just like heterosexual sterile couples?

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29 Dec 2011, 2:40 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:

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Homosexual people do, however, have children and are raising them in their families.

But they can't produce children with their partner. Outside people and agencies have to be brought in to achieve this.

You mean, just like heterosexual sterile couples?

There was a time when women who couldn't reproduce were not treated very well.

Also, there was a time when it was extremely controversial, even scandalous, for a woman to have a choice in when and whom she married. "Will you marry me?" was preceded by "may I marry your daughter?" by thousands of years. Women in Ancient Rome were treated as less than cattle: cattle might receive individual names by a doting owner, but women's identities were attached entirely to their husbands. A dog might have an individual identity as a dog, but a woman was no more than a near-superfluous extension of a man's penis. Today, it's kind of hard to really appreciate just how deep misogyny once ran in our society. As chauvinistic as medieval chivalry was in its way viewed through modern goggles, it was the feminism of its time. Before chivalry, it was unheard of to even care whether your woman felt pleasure or pain during sex, and there was no concept whatsoever of rape, entirely because it was the absolute norm, even expected.

We've left a lot of really stupid and asinine barbarities in the past, largely to the benefit of society at large. Homophobia is overdue to join them. LONG overdue.

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30 Dec 2011, 5:07 am

Homosexuality is a sin that is detestable to God, but I'm not going to break your legs over it, which is what happened to a neighbor of mine...

Both her and her brother are 'gay' - if you can call it that. When I ask them if they would forsake such behaviors if they could, both say yes. I have had many others in their situation tell me the same thing, so it must not be so great after all.

Sure, give 'em equal rights, let 'em marry, and let 'em serve (up to and including the bestial) in the military, but don't be surprised over the disasterous consequences as the moral fiber of this country goes down the toilet - consequences that are already manifesting themselves in this country, and in other countries around the world that have chosen this path.

Have A Straight Day!

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30 Dec 2011, 5:30 am

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If I followed your logic correctly, you don't think that society should give equal rights to sinners. Then, may I ask, who would be left to have those rights?

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30 Dec 2011, 6:25 am

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Have A Straight Day!

Rob

how much are the well wishes of one who thinks you are detestable to god worth?

i want my days to always be gay and merry.
and i dont understand what consequences that have manifested you are speaking of. did i miss something important?

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30 Dec 2011, 7:49 am

Rob-N4RPS wrote:

bgiotry is like a fine wine,
it grows stronger every year and once a certain point is met that poerson will have little worth to the rest of society.

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30 Dec 2011, 11:11 am

Rob-N4RPS wrote:

Homosexuality is a sin that is detestable to God,

Then again so are tattoos. This God guy you talk about seems to have mental issues.

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Sure, give 'em equal rights, let 'em marry, and let 'em serve (up to and including the bestial) in the military, but don't be surprised over the disasterous consequences as the moral fiber of this country goes down the toilet -

Is the moral fiber of this country founded on not letting gay people marry?

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30 Dec 2011, 12:42 pm

Rob-N4RPS wrote:

Both her and her brother are 'gay' - if you can call it that. When I ask them if they would forsake such behaviors if they could, both say yes. I have had many others in their situation tell me the same thing, so it must not be so great after all.

So I guess Stockholm syndrome must mean taking hostages isn't so bad after all.

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30 Dec 2011, 1:07 pm

Tequila wrote:

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It's a complex issue, but I think the fear of gender roles crumbling is the main thing.

That doesn't really explain the fact that anti-homosexuality has been around forever, though, does it?

Me, I'm not bothered. I've never met a gay person I disliked. Even if I didn't like homosexuality - I'm not bothered - Western civilisation has bigger fish to fry so we need to get on with it, Inshallah.

homophobia has not been around forever, look at the Greeks and Romans, both were very open to guy on guy relationships, have you ever seen Caligula?

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30 Dec 2011, 4:11 pm

Eating is probably not very great, because there are a lot of people that would rather stop eating if they could. Thus we should make eating illegal.

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31 Dec 2011, 5:27 am

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i think that all the things listed are things that perpetuate homophobia. gay people were not always oppressed for the simple fact that there was no such thing as gay- the concept didn’t exist. There were men who had sex with men & women who did it with women but there was no such thing as gay & the way sodomy was viewed varied in space and time. Sodomy was made illegal in some places but homosexuality didn’t exist until the 19th century when gay people began to identify as/be identified as a group in society. The roots of gay oppression, like women’s oppression, can be found in the rise of the nuclear family. At the same time people began to identify as homosexual the nuclear family was being strengthened by the state in response to the social crisis created by the rise of industrial capitalism. The number of people that died in industrial accidents was such that the state had to stop and consider where their next batch of workers was to come from. This is where I agree with the point being made about exclusively gay people not producing children being a cause of homophobia. The state began to pass legal measures to strengthen the family to ensure there wouldn’t be a sudden decrease in the population and in the number of workers. This included strengthening laws against fornication, prostitution & homosexuality as well as the exclusion of women from work that might stop them from reproducing. This same concern for growth in the population of workers can still be seen today every time someone bemoans our aging population or when people like Bachman sign papers saying that the reproduction is beneficial to the economy. This is why I also agree with the violation gender/social norms bit. Individuals are supposed to get with the opposite gender and reproduce and homophobia is supposed to reduce the number of people who don’t do that. Homophobia is used to strengthen the ideology of the family and the gender roles that go with it. It also makes gay people a convenient scapegoat for other workers to scapegoat for their frustration at the state of their lives. Or divide & conquer said the ruling class. thats the marxist interpretation anyway.

Yours is a pretty interesting take. Industrialisation required more in the workforce. Come to think of it, it is only since the 1980's that the western world has started to tolerate gays more, and that coincides with sending our industrial processes to third world where they are still very anti gay.

yeah, its really funny that a lot of the laws against homosexuality in places like africa, asia and the middle east were put in place during european colonial times by those colonial powers.

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31 Dec 2011, 6:20 am

Rob-N4RPS wrote:

The only reason I would want to forsake my sexual orientation would be so people like you and people like the one(s) that broke your neighbor's legs didn't bother me.

Have a very merry Gay Day to you!

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31 Dec 2011, 7:36 am

I will get right down to it.

It is packing the fudge and males engaged in mutual fellation that freak the masses out.

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31 Dec 2011, 8:43 am

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I will get right down to it.

It is packing the fudge and males engaged in mutual fellation that freak the masses out.

If I were a woman, I wouldn't give the time of day to a guy who wouldn't go down on me. That's just basic chivalry. Oral stimulation is a perfectly normal part of sex, and any feeling, sensible human being considers it to be a basic expression of affection. I don't know what kind of insensitive ass would turn his nose up at it. I am pretty sure that "the masses" disagree with you, Ruveyn.

And we have beaten the subject of anal sex to death. A number of gay people have never even tried it. As far as I know, anal sex is one of those weird things you try a few times in the heat of courtship, most likely when you're either drunk or stoned. If you are in an established relationship, you don't usually go to the trouble of penetration. It's not that it stops being fun, but it just gets to the point of being like that expensive wine you keep under the floorboards. You know that it would be nice once you opened it, but every time you think of doing so, you think, "wait, I have a perfectly good Cabernet right here in the cabinet. It will keep." It's almost like the Messiah would have to come before you dare to even touch it.

And I still don't fully understand why you seem to think that anal sex is unique to gay men. Are you just ignorant in general about sex?

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31 Dec 2011, 8:51 am

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And I still don't fully understand why you seem to think that anal sex is unique to gay men. Are you just ignorant in general about sex?

This. ^^
What is with heterosexuals and their weird ideas about anal sex? It's almost an unhealthy obsession.

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31 Dec 2011, 9:02 am

Cornflake wrote:

WilliamWDelaney wrote:

And I still don't fully understand why you seem to think that anal sex is unique to gay men. Are you just ignorant in general about sex?

This. ^^
What is with heterosexuals and their weird ideas about anal sex? It's almost an unhealthy obsession.

I couldn't begin to tell you. I live in Seattle with a pretty large and visible gay population, and when we do have bashing type incidents, mostly verbal but occasionally physical, they almost universally involve fratboy types who don't seem to have any real religious or "moral" motivation. It's one of the few places where I'd readily agree that a latent fascination and self loathing is most likely to blame; frat hazing rituals being infamously homoerotic while frat culture is virulently homophobic and all. I've suggested bashing the fratboys for years, not to teach them a lesson or anything but more because I just hate them generally.

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