Please don't vote for Mitt Romney.
In the interview linked below, Gingrich calls medicinal Marijuana in California a Joke.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/newt-gingrich-drug-laws-entitlements-campaigning-yahoo-news-152936251.html
Amazing, how quickly things have changed in this Republican primary race, time and time again; at the start of this thread, it didn't appear that Gingrich had a chance in South Carolina.
"Gingrich calls medicinal Marijuana in California a Joke." Unfortunately, he is kind of right. It it was supposed to a program of co-ops, you worked a little tending the grow, or assigned someone to do it for you and you got your medicine. It became a money maker for growers and doctors alike.
I just want to left alone about, but that won't happen. So, now that Romney is going down, Gingrich is either someone to be reasoned with, or not. Romney is not reasonable.
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Again, the lesser of two evils..........
And please explain what's so evil about President Obama.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Again, the lesser of two evils..........
And please explain what's so evil about President Obama.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
You and your kind like him and that's reason enough.
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Again, the lesser of two evils..........
And please explain what's so evil about President Obama.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
You and your kind like him and that's reason enough.
My kind - people who want to see the underprivileged cared for, who want to see a wealthy, healthy populace who can share in the benefits of industry and business (as opposed to the few), and respect learning and want to see it extended to all - oh yeah, we're really terrible!
-Bill,m otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Again, the lesser of two evils..........
And please explain what's so evil about President Obama.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
He is the Philosophical Love-Child of Saul Alinsky and RIchard J. Daley. I sense that in his gut he does not like an individualistic and capitalistic America. Obama wants to make us Good, and they makes him dangerous and an enemy of the human race. Obama had the same psychological compulsions as Michael Dukakis of Massachusetts. Which is why we used to call him Michael the Good or the Archangel Michael.
I consider Do-Gooders among the arch enemies of mankind.
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Again, the lesser of two evils..........
And please explain what's so evil about President Obama.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
He is the Philosophical Love-Child of Saul Alinsky and RIchard J. Daley. I sense that in his gut he does not like an individualistic and capitalistic America. Obama wants to make us Good, and they makes him dangerous and an enemy of the human race. Obama had the same psychological compulsions as Michael Dukakis of Massachusetts. Which is why we used to call him Michael the Good or the Archangel Michael.
I consider Do-Gooders among the arch enemies of mankind.
ruveyn
Do-Gooders the enemies of America? As opposed to who? Heartless plutocrats and hypocrites who make up the Republican presidential hopefuls today?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Do-Gooders the enemies of America? As opposed to who? Heartless plutocrats and hypocrites who make up the Republican presidential hopefuls today?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
You left out a whole class of hard working decent folk who do what they do, do it well and honestly and mind their own business. The kind of folk who do lay a trip on everyone else.
The plutocrats are unfortunately as detached from reality and the -real- economy as the Do-Gooders. If we could load the Do-Gooders and the Plutocrats onto ships and send them out into the middle of the Sea we should all be better off.
The Do-Gooders think all they have to do is Pass a Law in order to Cure What Ails Us.
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Do-Gooders the enemies of America? As opposed to who? Heartless plutocrats and hypocrites who make up the Republican presidential hopefuls today?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
You left out a whole class of hard working decent folk who do what they do, do it well and honestly and mind their own business. The kind of folk who do lay a trip on everyone else.
The plutocrats are unfortunately as detached from reality and the -real- economy as the Do-Gooders. If we could load the Do-Gooders and the Plutocrats onto ships and send them out into the middle of the Sea we should all be better off.
The Do-Gooders think all they have to do is Pass a Law in order to Cure What Ails Us.
ruveyn
The problem is, thanks to the plutocrats, more and more of the middle class are enjoying less and less of the fruits of their labors, and are joining the ranks of the underprivileged.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
The problem is, thanks to the plutocrats, more and more of the middle class are enjoying less and less of the fruits of their labors, and are joining the ranks of the underprivileged.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
For some reason, the French Revolution comes to mind.
Think of it this way. Plutocrats bleed red just like the rest of us.
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The problem is, thanks to the plutocrats, more and more of the middle class are enjoying less and less of the fruits of their labors, and are joining the ranks of the underprivileged.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
For some reason, the French Revolution comes to mind.
Think of it this way. Plutocrats bleed red just like the rest of us.
ruveyn
Yes, but they don't seem to realize the day may come when they get to see their own red blood flowing.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
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At who’s expense, though?
Health is an individual responsibility and wealth is best earned
Then they can get jobs in those industries and receive compentsation for their serviescs, not panhandle off of those who do.
We do have public education so that’s already in place. Beyond that it’s pay as you go, grants, scholarships, employer tuition assistance, GI bill, etc…..
You said it, I didn’t.
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At who’s expense, though?
Health is an individual responsibility and wealth is best earned
Then they can get jobs in those industries and receive compentsation for their serviescs, not panhandle off of those who do.
We do have public education so that’s already in place. Beyond that it’s pay as you go, grants, scholarships, employer tuition assistance, GI bill, etc…..
You said it, I didn’t.
Most of Western Europe is doing just fine by providing healthcare to all citizens, and they have the healthy populaces to prove it.
People on public assistance are not panhandlers. And beside, it's not them I'm talking about when I'm referring to Americans sharing the fruits of corporate America - I am referring to people working for such businesses, or are dependent on them, but see their pay and benefits - and even jobs - shrinking every year. My Dad had had a job in a union shop, which allowed him to earn enough pay to provide my Mom and I with a comfortable middle class lifestyle, and a house and two vehicles we owned, as well as benefits to retire without dropping into poverty. Today, thanks to the plutocrats, who the Republicans suck the balls of, have been steadily eating away at the American dream my Dad had been able to one time provide us.
How is wanting to go back to what my parents had make me a terrible person?
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OK, here it goes (and I must warn you, I have the gift of inducing severe, almost catatonic boredom when I discuss politics). I believe our problem is not too much or too little government but a government that has largely been co-opted by a legal form of corruption. The general population is largely an afterthought these days in Washington and in the state capitals. Instead, lobbyists for powerful interests largely control the government, from influencing votes to handing out talking points to frequently crafting the legislation itself. This is an utter perversion of the representative democratic process, and we as voters have nobody to blame for it but ourselves.
Take the healthcare legislation - few would argue that changes are desperately needed. Some would call for less regulation and more free market competition. Others would prefer a government or non-profit solution. But what we got instead was a legislative process and a public drama crafted entirely by the healthcare industry, especially the pharmaceutical companies and the health insurance lobbying group, AHIP. As former CIGNA head of communications turned whistle-blower Wendell Potter revealed, many public pronouncements on the legislation from Republican and "Blue-Dog" Democrats were verbatim recitations of talking points given to them by AHIP.
But it gets worse: Blue Dog Senator Max Baucus was the man that spearheaded the entire legislative process in the Senate as chairman of the Finance Committee. Baucus' former chief of staff is now the head of the lobbying firm representing AHIP. And his' chief of staff before that? Well, he's now head lobbyist for the pharmaceutical industry. And this is the lead DEMOCRAT on the committee that largely crafted the bill. Same guy that took $4 million in campaign finds from the healthcare industry. And the same guy that blocked a single payer plan from even being discussed in committee.
So basically the healthcare industry not only controlled the crafting of the legislation but also fed talking points to both Democrats and Republicans, effectively crafting a mock drama for public consumption, with the Dems proposing a weakened legislation filled with billions upon billions in handouts for the industry while including only modest price controls at best, while the Republicans, following their lines from the same industry-crafted script, claimed that the legislation represented "European-style socialist medicine". It didn't seem to matter that this description in no way described the actual bill. What mattered is that there was a public perception of conflict between "right" and "left". The ultimate goal of the healthcare industry was to block any meaningful cost reductions that might cut into their bottom line, and, if possible, to use the legislation to enhance their revenue streams. No great surprise, they got exactly what they wanted. After all, they controlled the entire process. There was no role for political "philosophy" in the process - it was all about getting money for the industry and more campaign funds for the legislators.
And that's basically how things work in Washington these days. Lobbyists for major industries and interest groups largely get their way while the public is fed simplistic stories about "hyper-partisianship" and big vs. small government "philosophies". And like I said, we the voters are to blame - corporations do what they were created to do (and are legally mandated to do), namely find ways to make more money. It should come as no surprise that if a piece of legislation like the healthcare bill can potentially make them billions, and they can legally hijack the legislative process for just millions, they are going to do so. As citizens, I think it's a shame our attention is so easily diverted by tawdry and simplistic political theater that has so obviously been crafted for our consumption.
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This isn’t Europe. Just because it works there by no means is it guaranteed to work here. There are things I like about Europe, too, but I can't see them happening here. There and here are way different.
Um, yeah, a lot of them are just that. The ones that have been on the dole nearly for life regardless of the current economy and opportunity even though they are able to work are panhandling.
Being on assistance temporarily due to misfortune or for someone with a legitimate handicap is another thing entirely.
And Barack is the answer to your prayers on this? Yeah, like he cares one way or another. Well, maybe as long as you drive a green car or whatever.
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Again, you said it, I didn’t.
Take the healthcare legislation - few would argue that changes are desperately needed. Some would call for less regulation and more free market competition. Others would prefer a government or non-profit solution. But what we got instead was a legislative process and a public drama crafted entirely by the healthcare industry, especially the pharmaceutical companies and the health insurance lobbying group, AHIP. As former CIGNA head of communications turned whistle-blower Wendell Potter revealed, many public pronouncements on the legislation from Republican and "Blue-Dog" Democrats were verbatim recitations of talking points given to them by AHIP.
But it gets worse: Blue Dog Senator Max Baucus was the man that spearheaded the entire legislative process in the Senate as chairman of the Finance Committee. Baucus' former chief of staff is now the head of the lobbying firm representing AHIP. And his' chief of staff before that? Well, he's now head lobbyist for the pharmaceutical industry. And this is the lead DEMOCRAT on the committee that largely crafted the bill. Same guy that took $4 million in campaign finds from the healthcare industry. And the same guy that blocked a single payer plan from even being discussed in committee.
So basically the healthcare industry not only controlled the crafting of the legislation but also fed talking points to both Democrats and Republicans, effectively crafting a mock drama for public consumption, with the Dems proposing a weakened legislation filled with billions upon billions in handouts for the industry while including only modest price controls at best, while the Republicans, following their lines from the same industry-crafted script, claimed that the legislation represented "European-style socialist medicine". It didn't seem to matter that this description in no way described the actual bill. What mattered is that there was a public perception of conflict between "right" and "left". The ultimate goal of the healthcare industry was to block any meaningful cost reductions that might cut into their bottom line, and, if possible, to use the legislation to enhance their revenue streams. No great surprise, they got exactly what they wanted. After all, they controlled the entire process. There was no role for political "philosophy" in the process - it was all about getting money for the industry and more campaign funds for the legislators.
And that's basically how things work in Washington these days. Lobbyists for major industries and interest groups largely get their way while the public is fed simplistic stories about "hyper-partisianship" and big vs. small government "philosophies". And like I said, we the voters are to blame - corporations do what they were created to do (and are legally mandated to do), namely find ways to make more money. It should come as no surprise that if a piece of legislation like the healthcare bill can potentially make them billions, and they can legally hijack the legislative process for just millions, they are going to do so. As citizens, I think it's a shame our attention is so easily diverted by tawdry and simplistic political theater that has so obviously been crafted for our consumption.
So the gist of it is corruption?
I agree.
This is where the pro-national healthcare people get lost due to cluelessness.
“All these misfortunate people without healthcare? This is just terrible!
Hey, I got an idea; let’s make healthcare freeeeeee!! !”
And then there’s this wild eyed crusade to do just that, in effect, without a moment’s thought about what all comes into play when you try to institute a program like that in this country.
Worse yet when you DO succeed in implementing a program like that.
Right now we have Medicare and Medicaid whose institutions are bureaucratic whorehouses themselves.
Make something like that encompass everyone and see how ineffective it is. Once in place it’ll be too cumbersome to effectively reform, let alone abolish.