Is genocide justified when it comes to psychopaths?

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no, not even the psychologists can agree,

and its not something i say with myself as the source, it is sopmething referenced in pretty much any source material you come across.

then you have to take all the factors discussed above into account as well.

i dont deny that there may be a true neurological lack of empathy and/or emotion but even the research that heavenlyabyss posted shows that those hitherto used as the basis of psychopaths dont neccesarily lack emotion as such(a myth portrayed about aspies as well for quite some time), they certainly show a greatly lessened empathy and a complete disregard of empathy in many cases.

but again we come down to the primary issue of a very low sample size and in many cases wildly speculative criteria, something they have no direct causation of.
so i think the fairest estimate is that no one knows what excactly constitutes a psychopath nor if the stereotypical image of them applies, it might.

we need more research.

I don't have compassion for people who have no regard for other human beings or even animals for that matter. The best they can do is "act" or behave as a decent person and the only real emotion appears to be anger and rage and typically doesn't take much to tip over into violent behaviors. Violent behavior isn't just limited to physical violence. They appear to have a very weak ego structure and can't take the slightest insult or criticism. It is only a very thin veneer of so-called lovableness and I don't find that lovable, just extremely bizarre when you finally see the big picture. Verbal abuse is very violent and damaging as well but we don't consider that a crime punishable by law. People who have no regard for other people get no regard or consideration from me and I'm not in favor of having any concern for their well-being either at this point.

I think the point some in the thread are trying to get across has to do with the substance of the argument, not the arguments of some psychologist circles.

I think MCalavera and others are trying to point out, that the word psychopath in common vernacular has a very specific meaning. Those psychologist circles questioning these defintions seem to be missing the point of what should fit into the "psychopath" (or rather the broad term of ASPD) category. In other words, they are arguing that a 'nice' psychopath is an oxymoron and should not or never be allowed to be applied to individuals who may exhibit only one or two traits, but who hold none of the traits that actively make them a threat.

If I'm understanding correctly, they are arguing that psychopath and sociopath should be terms only applying to those who actively participate in the more negative of the traits, therefore making the idea of a 'nice' or 'good-natured' psychopath impossible.

You could still have the conversation about punishment for these individuals, or if such psychopathic individuals should be disregarded, but it severely limits your options or reasons for defense in this manner.

To add further: such individuals who are selfish, unempathetic, or minor bullies could not be considered ASPD/sociopath/psychopath under such ideas. Rather such individuals would be nothing more than as*holes or annoying bastards.

I could be wrong about their intentions, but that is the jist of what I am perceiving in their responses.

Unfortunately, thier idea of what a psychopath is, is wrong, and because of it they are arguing for atrocity. Little Nazis in the making.

Sickening.

Your feelings about this are your own. They're your issue, not mine. I don't like psychopaths (as is generally defined) and don't get along with them much. I find them just as sickening as you find me to be for not liking them.

I don't think I have the definition ultimately wrong. I suspect you have it wrong.

If a psychopath can genuinely care about someone other than himself, then the label is pretty much pointless.

I don't give a flying f**k what you think about them. I only find it disgusting when you start discussing if its a good idea TO PUT ALL THESE PEOPLE TO DEATH!! !! !! !! !! !

Holy christ.

Wow, you seem terribly worried here. You really trigger me too.

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None of your business what people choose to discuss. Either accept that there's a discussion going on about this or don't participate and find another thread where you won't start having a meltdown.

I'd like to blow off some steam in this thread. Can I start screaming and cursing too? I seriously doubt it.

That's fairly hypocritical thing to say. You see that right?

My first problem is a technical one. How does the term genocide relate to psychopaths? I do not understand. There is no race of the psychopaths. Genocide is defined in the dictionary as;

I don't think there is a nation of psychopaths, or a political party of psychopaths, and it's hard for me to imagine a culture of psychopaths - unless we're talking about corporate culture, which I would agree fits the definition, and I would have no problem with genocide in that case. I don't know how one goes about killing a group of imaginary persons, though.

My second problem relates to the first. I don't think genocide, or mass murder of any kind, is ever justifiable unless we're discussing the mass murder of imaginary persons.

For you to also scream, would require someone else is screaming. Since this is all text communication, that is impossible. So the answer is, of course, no.

I wouldn't waste my breath on you.

I can't stand people like you who are so incredibly manipulative and narcissistic. This thread isn't supposed to be about you personally.

I'm really not narcissistic or manipulative, at least not intentionally, nor to my knowledge... I do not want this thread to be about me. But I'd rather it be about anything other than what it IS about, which is disgusting. So if it takes making it about me, so people stop actually considering the idea that KILLING people just because they are DIFFERENT is ok....then so be it.

Whether this thread is about me personally or not is somewhat irrelevant. I care, personally, about what this thread is discussing. I AM personally invested in calling out how absolutely sick and disgusting this thread really is. Because I, personally, am a human being. I am personally invested in human beings not committing the worse crime imaginable… I've made no illusions about that, I don't see how that is manipulation, at all.

This thread is reprehensible. The fact it exists is an affront to human decency. I will call it out as such, and I will employ any and every tactic I have at my disposal to bring light to the horrendousness of the thoughts some people have expressed here. To remain silent while people discuss genocide of any sort is just as bad as committing it, in my opinion. To support genocide on any level is just as bad as committing it. You might as well have blood on your hands for all I care, it’s the same in my eyes. So my apologies if my language is too rough for your delicate serial killing genocidal sensibilities. My bad.

Is Nazi Germany so far in the past we don’t remember the horrendousness of genocide? It’s the very worse side of human nature, it is sick and depraved, and we are openly discussing the merits of it? BS. I will not be quiet or tame on this issue. Call that whatever in the hell you want. I will not be dissuaded by name-calling.

I think you're playing a lot of games. You're not an idiot. You know this is a hypothetical discussion. You don't have to like it. I'm not going to learn anything except continue to feel exactly the way I do and more after some of your replies to me already. You might use a little restraint in the future if you want someone to listen to you. You're just attempting to take advantage of someone you think you can take advantage of. I'm very familiar with people like you. You might be better with words and language but you aren't going to confuse me or get the better of me. I think you're demonstrating the worst side of human nature here.

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