Why is there so much liberal hate?

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Then they're reactionary, not conservative. Some of the most conservative parties in this country would like abortion rightly limited, and a strict immigration policy similar to Canada's. Personally, I'm glad people are finally starting to openly question the optimism-above-all mentality that existed in this part of the world throughout the 1990s, where problems were denied because general sentiment was in a positive flow.

The demographics of Toronto make Toronto one of the most multicultural cities in the world. Data released by Statistics Canada as part of the 2006 census indicates that Toronto is more ethnically diverse than Miami, Los Angeles, and New York City. 49.9% of Toronto's population is foreign-born.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Toronto

Montreal is quite similar, as is Vancouver, and those are our only three world-class cities (Vancouver isn't even, really).

Our immigration policy is not exactly that strict, it is set at 1% of the population per year. In many of my classes I am one of a handful of Montrealers

That's rather underwhelming. The policies themselves are extremely xenophobic. For one, there are employment requirements for a lot of immigrants, something we're not really allowed to do. As for Toronto's demographics, we know - most of our large cities are like that. Except the groups living there didn't have to adhere to such xenophobic standards, and are largely poorly-educated African, Middle-Eastern or Caribbean scum. Rotterdam's most optimistic nickname is 'Manhattan on the Meuse', but a lot of people in this area prefer to call it 'Mombasa on the Meuse', 'Salé on the Shore', 'Romania on the River' or something similar. It has a significantly-lower life expectancy than the rest of Western Europe, even though there are more doctors and hospitals around than most places. The city itself, looks-wise, is mostly one big run-down ghetto. I once walked in a neighbourhood along with a friend, and we noticed that we'd believe it if they said this was a bad part of Turkey. Trash was piled on the streets, there were literally gangs everywhere, men in islamic robes, and houses ruined beyond belief just a few years after being built.

Employment requirements for immigration are xenophobic? How so? The overwhelming majority of people that come here want to work and live in peace

Maybe the difference, for now, is many of the Muslim immigrants who go to your country and others in Europe intend to colonize it/them. Now you'll get to experience colonization firsthand

They're not even close. Half the population in Toronto is born outside the country. Not just ethnic, that's only counting the ones actually born outside the country - not their kids. No European city comes even close. There's only one other city in the world like that, which is Dubai, and those aren't residents - the statistic there is skewed because of all the temporary guest workers.



Toronto is a nice clean city (by global standards anyway), there is an effort to integrate foreigners, not marginilize and exclude them from society. Your immigration may be too high in some cases, because your population densities are much higher and there is a bigger strain on fewer natural resources. But that's got little to do with the question of integration; you would still have to deal with the foreign populations already present. Your integration fails because you adopt a hostile attitude to newcomers. How do you expect it to work under such conditions?

Call it hypocrisy or whatever, but most "liberal hate" is more retaliatory in nature. Most "conservative hate" is purely unprovoked effort to attack and make life difficult for already marginalized groups. Comparing questionable things coming from the likes of Rev. Wright to that coming from someone like Fred Phelps is poor equivocation.

Upon witnessing a fight between a pit bull and a chihuahua conservatives would be more likely to make a fuss about the chihuahua fighting dirty. That pretty much sums up my impression of conservative morality.

Liberals are not big on hate. Contempt is more their style.

ruveyn

Exactly - and what about those who aren't? If you were the European Union, you'd argue against that. We can't set those requirements, which means we get the human waste while you get the workers. They think even fundamentalist islamic preachers with convictions for drug trafficking in Morocco should be allowed to come here and have the exact same social and economic rights and more cultural rights than the people born and raised here. Those guys are protected by police against people frustrated when they start yelling death threats - a crime the police is required to arrest them for - about politicians from a monument to peace.



And here's what I don't get - that's not a justification for anything. It's a poor excuse. I've never colonized anything, and saying that would actually mean it'd make sense for them to colonize Canada. The people who did the actual colonizing centuries ago were the people who actually went to Canada, to Australia, to South Africa Africa, and all that. If you live in Canada, or Australia, or New Zealand, or the United States, or any part of South America, you're the colonist. Additionally, apart from South Africa - from which we only receive the occasional white immigrant who doesn't cause trouble - we've never really set foot in Africa, and certainly didn't set foor in the Middle East.



About Rotterdam:
"City centre also has a higher percentage (51% vs 45%) of foreign-born citizens."



That's a very simple explanation, but it's completely false. It starts with immigration itself. Apparently, immigration to Canada consists primarily of non-islamic Asians, Europeans, and people actually fleeing islamic countries. That's a different situation here. As we're not allowed to set too many demands, everyone able to walk into our country and apply for citizenship can be granted that. If the government wants to refuse an application, we have to prove that the immigrant is a war criminal. Immigration to our country consists mostly of Antilleans - known for their ridiculous crime rates and large amount of single mothers, Turks and Moroccans - known for importing cousins for marriage, having that apparently at the base of a schizophrenia epidemic, and completely disregarding and countering western values when it doesn't suit them.

As for a supposedly-hostile attitude, we're much more welcoming than Canada. Not only can anyone with half a brain get citizenship without employment requirements, but we pay for their housing, their health care, their education - even if it's islamic schools preaching against homosexuality while having the worst test results in the country - their cultural events, occasional cultural subsidies for mosques, paid days off for religious holidays for hindus and muslims, and much more. They have, of course, responded to that by locking themselves up in ethnic ghettoes even when offered other housing (still paid for by us, evidently), having a lot of unemployment, and being over-represented in crime.

Interestingly, the groups that use those cultural subsidies and privileges least - Chinese people, Indonesian people and other Asian groups - are doing best by a large margin.

And as Michael Moore had pointed out concerning Rev. Wright: he can't really know what a black person like Wright has gone through in a lifetime, and so can't judge.
Wright's inflammatory statements had arisen from a lifetime of living as a second class citizen, while those WBC idiots are driven from blind, unprovoked hate and prejudice.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Your politicians must get a nice oil-derived sum of cash for letting this pass



That was not a justification, it was an observation. If just by virtue of living here, I am a "colonist", then you, by virtue of living in a colonial state, are a "colonizer". That is not very good or accurate way to describe a demographic. I did not travel anywhere to get here, I was born here, as were generations of my family. You live in a country that had colonies once, but you certainly did not have anything to do with that

Conservatives are pushing the envelope in turning contempt into outright hate. They are acting as though they'd like to incite a civil war if Obama wins in November.

Let's see if they've got the balls to back up their BS come November, as the polls are leaning toward an Obama reelection.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

It's a damn good reason for the mods to clean up the trash in PPR.

And have people start creating multiple threads about censorship?

Yeah, there's some political correctness going on. That's not my biggest problem though. The problem is that for every legitimate case of bigotry, douchebaggery gets completely overlooked. The mods seem to be focused on bigotry to the exclusion of any other type of BS like personal attacks.

Anyways, as to why there's so much liberal hate, it's generally the arrogance, pretentiousness, and elitism that does it. I hate the fact that they talk the talk but don't walk the walk when it comes to being "civilized" and "sophisticated". All they really give a crap about when it comes to those two is maintaining a thin veneer. They measure their civility and sophistication by the fact that they hold liberal beliefs rather than by their conduct. Anyone can puff themselves up into pompous pricks if they don't actually have to do anything to be civilized and sophisticated, such as actually conducting themselves like civilized and sophisticated people. I don't give a rat's ass how much Sharespeare literature you read or what ideals you believe in, if you claim to be civilized and sophisticated while you conduct yourself like a trashy little condescending jackass then you're a massive hypocrite. Just because someone believes in different ideals or has hobbies that aren't considered "intellectual" enough for you it doesn't make that person a knuckle dragging savage.

Once you call them out on those things, they'll pretend like it's because you disagree with them. Yeah, never mind there are people further left than these type of douchebags that I actually respect since they walk the walk and actually treat you with courtesy.

PS: By they, I don't mean every liberal. I just don't know whether it's some or most but there's enough of them. There are liberals who walk the walk too and actually have some goddamn manners. But ideological BS and lofty ideals always find a way to spark unwarranted arrogance. And that of liberals piss me off more so than that of conservatives because of the pretentiousness and elitism that are unique to their lofty ideals.

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