14 dead and 50 injured in mass shooting in Colorado.

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21 Jul 2012, 1:32 pm

http://www.theagitator.com/2012/07/20/a ... l-schools/

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Aurora, Colorado: As families and friends of the victims of today’s tragic shootings gather to mourn for the departed, a storm of suspicion is gathering over the institution some say is at the heart of the nation’s recent epidemic of mass homicides, the American medical school.

In the early hours of confusion surrounding the attacks at a screening of “The Dark Night Rises” at an Aurora movie theater, some media outlets and politicians erroneously tied the shootings to the Tea Party movement, the Democratic Party, violent videogames, and enemies of Judeo-Christianity. But as details on the shooter emerge, a clearer picture is coming into focus. The sole suspect in the shootings, James Holmes, was a recent drop-out from the University of Colorado medical school.

Experts caution that it is too early to say that the suspect’s medical education led him down a path ending in mass murder, but many are reminded of Dr. Nidal Hassan, who is presently awaiting trial for his role in the Fort Hood shootings of November 2009, and who, like James Holmes, attended medical school.

“I don’t want to speculate on whether attending medical school inspired the Batman killer’s rampage,” said Professor Lewis Deery of the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in an interview on MSNBC, “but the similarities are eerie. Here you have one graduate of a medical school opening fire, with no apparent motive, on innocent people on an Army base, and here you have another man who attended medical school opening fire, with no apparent motive, on innocent people at a midnight movie. Am I saying that these men were trained to kill when they attended medical school? No, but that possibility can’t be discounted based on the limited information we have at this time.”

In a roundtable discussion on the Fox News Channel’s Fox and Friends, Ariel Spain of the Columbia School of Journalism’s Tragedy Studies Department echoed Professor Deery’s caution concerning the Dark Knight shooter’s medical background. “It would be irresponsible, and reckless, to claim that James Holmes was programmed to become an unthinking assassin at the Colorado medical school simply because of the countless cases in which medical school graduates have gone on murder sprees, but many are asking themselves, right now, about the similarities between the Aurora shootings and the case of Dr. Jeffrey McDonald, who murdered his entire family in the 1970s. In both cases, I’ll note, the murderer attended a highly regarded medical school.

Following a moment of silence for the fallen in the United States House of Representatives, House majority leader Eric Cantor promised a grieving nation that its Congress would conduct a full investigation into the causes of the Aurora shootings. “It’s far too early to say whether the nefarious crimes of the infamous assassin James Eagan Holmes were the work of insidious medical professors, transforming our nation’s best and brightest into psychopathic killing machines. But,” Cantor informed the House, “the American people have a right to know.”

Across the capital, Attorney General Eric Holder convened a news conference on the killings, promising federal aid to Colorado authorities in conducting full, fair, and impartial investigation into the tragedy. “I cannot comment on specifics of the case at this time, and it would be imprudent for me to speculate on who may be responsible for these horrific crimes at the outset of an investigation, but let me assure the grieving people of Aurora that the Department of Justice will hold all those who aided and abetted this tragedy responsible, from the lowest professor to the Dean of the medical college himself.”

Historians of past calamities reiterated the Attorney General’s warning against pre-judging the case. On C-Span’s Books in Review, Dr. Thomas Waltham of the American University’s Department of European History warned against a “witch hunt” in connection with the Aurora case. “Time and again, we historians see cases in which the people are led, by politicians, the media, and religious leaders into demonizing some despised minority for the actions of one. That only compounds the tragedy. It would be reckless to tie the Batman shootings into some historical framework of past atrocities by medical school graduates, such as the infamous “Doctor’s Plot” in the Soviet Union, where prosecutors showed that a sinister cabal of people who, just like Nidal Hassan and the Batman killer, attended medical school had committed an unspeakably vile series of murders aimed at destabilizing and overthrowing the government.”

Representatives of the American Association of Medical Colleges, which represent medical schools including the Colorado institution where James Eagan Holmes was allegedly trained, were contacted for comment, but did not return telephone calls before this story went to press.


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21 Jul 2012, 1:40 pm

Who said anything about standing up? Shooting while prone from the edge of the aisle or crouched from behind the seats in front of you don't require standing. Also, it's a packed movie theater and the smoke and darkness goes both ways, he wasn't wearing thermal goggles after all, so him spotting someone setting up on him from a covered position is hardly a sure thing and possibly unlikely.

In Colorado, do not carry signs posted by businesses carry the weight of law, and the vast majority of CCW holders are super law abiding.

Did I say anything about shooting the guy first or before anything happened? This didn't happen instantaneously, there was a period of time between when the attacker started and stopped shooting, and I'm talking about resisting during that time; lowering the damage, not preventing it entirely.

And again, so what if he was wearing armor? I already dismissed the idea of a missed shot causing additional damage, and a hit on him might have helped, remember that he did surrender to police rather than shoot it out. He had plenty of unarmored spots, and even with armor you don't just shrug off getting hit with 400+ foot/pounds of energy, it's still like getting punched harder than you can imagine.


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21 Jul 2012, 1:43 pm

I don't see the connection between these two med school students. James Holmes seems to have failed somewhere when he was succeeding at a rapid rate before while the other guy didn't. James Holmes never finished medical school which I am sure was very difficult for him. From what I have read, he must have been enduring some kind of profound, intense, crisis. You do not go from top of the world, highly esteemed, merit scholar, and honors college graduate to dropping out of grad school without enduring some serious psychological anguish. All the promises, hopes and dreams dashed? It could not be easy to deal with.



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21 Jul 2012, 1:45 pm

It's satire.


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21 Jul 2012, 1:48 pm

Oh, okay.



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21 Jul 2012, 2:58 pm

It must of been a mk ultra,cia,illuminati,haarp,fema camps,masonic knight templar satanist that eats babies antichrist conspiracy that are coming to take your firarms away :twisted: Hahaha i beat you to it i knew when i saw it on the news we would be seeing your million conspiracies online for a couple of months >_> I yeah forgot the reptilian,monarchy midget grey drones that microchip and probe everyone from the south in the U.S of A 8)



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21 Jul 2012, 3:03 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeA_kHHLow

Rahm Emanuel: You never want a serious crisis to go to waste

I doubt they will let this incident go to waste.



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21 Jul 2012, 3:10 pm

Anyone read about the woman who had recently narrowly missed one mall shooting, only to be shot and killed in the Dark Knight theatre?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/wor ... le4429853/



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21 Jul 2012, 5:07 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Honestly, from what it looks like, he is simply a spoiled rich kid. His mother is asking for privacy she issued a statement. Its not about the victims and what they have endured, it's making sure her and her relatives are not shown on television, their names are not released, and information is not known. It's all about them.


How did you come to the conclusion that he was a spoiled rich kid????


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21 Jul 2012, 5:11 pm

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James Holmes is a Tea Party member. It is what it is. He signed up so why is it no one is supposed to mention something James Holmes did? It's not a made up lie about him.


They have already deemed that this was an incorrect statement.


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21 Jul 2012, 5:16 pm

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The question remains, how can anyone know who is a member of the Tea Party and who isn't? Is their membership list public information or private?


Why would you need this info??
Political affiliation has NOTHING to do with this incident.


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21 Jul 2012, 5:22 pm

picklejah wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Honestly, from what it looks like, he is simply a spoiled rich kid. His mother is asking for privacy she issued a statement. Its not about the victims and what they have endured, it's making sure her and her relatives are not shown on television, their names are not released, and information is not known. It's all about them.


How did you come to the conclusion that he was a spoiled rich kid????

Because he has money and grew up in a nice house in California?



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21 Jul 2012, 5:24 pm

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You know for every event like this there is at least 10 watching the news getting a hard on and thinking they can do it bigger, which really frightens me.
It never fails to surprise me that the same old red puffy faced blowhard right wingers here warning us of an impending left-wing conspiracy to take away
their guns, maybe its time to take them away. I am sure this will rile up alot of the insecure types that think its their god given right to bare arms, but they
are not rational individuals, the people that do these monstrous crimes are supposedly law abiding citizens till they flip out. Maybe the government should
take all guns away, and if these idiots and cowards who hide behind their antiquated second amendment protest then let the guns be pulled from their cold
dead hands as they can't be considered rational beings.


They haven't done so well with illegal drugs, have they??
Illegal drugs are pretty easy to get.
If guns became illegal, it would not stop people from possessing them.

More people die from car accidents and drug overdose than gun related incidents.
Should we ban cars, too???


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21 Jul 2012, 5:28 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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Where did he get the cash for such an arsenal is what am wondering ? and how the regulations concerning each weapon was handled.

That's why I think he is a spoiled rich kid. He had so much extra money to spend on all this stuff. Guns and ballistic armory. He probably got the money from his college fund.


Again, this is pure speculation and profiling.
I still cannot find anything that indicates he was "rich" -- or what defines a person as rich.

Maybe this kid saved his money over a long period.... who knows.
But this is the job of the authorities -- to find out the truth.


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21 Jul 2012, 5:34 pm

picklejah wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
wayne_da_doctor wrote:
Where did he get the cash for such an arsenal is what am wondering ? and how the regulations concerning each weapon was handled.

That's why I think he is a spoiled rich kid. He had so much extra money to spend on all this stuff. Guns and ballistic armory. He probably got the money from his college fund.


Again, this is pure speculation and profiling.
I still cannot find anything that indicates he was "rich" -- or what defines a person as rich.

Maybe this kid saved his money over a long period.... who know.
But this is the job of the authorities -- to find out the truth.

Richer than people who can't afford to go to college or buy guns. The neighborhood he grew up in is described as "upscale." He spent a lot of money on guns, ammo, gas canisters and body armor, including a gas mask. Two of the guns alone cost over $1500.



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21 Jul 2012, 5:53 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Richer than people who can't afford to go to college or buy guns. The neighborhood he grew up in is described as "upscale." He spent a lot of money on guns, ammo, gas canisters and body armor, including a gas mask. Two of the guns alone cost over $1500.



So only rich people can go to college???? (scratching my head)

The thing about money is -- you can save it up. That's what my spouse and I did. We saved a crankload of money for a house down payment (when time-money-jobs were good in the late 80's). We purchased a house in an upscale neighborhood. We are, by NO means, "rich" because of the house we live in. We were frugal then and we still are frugal. You see --- for some people, if they want to acquire something that cost a lot, they plan ahead and save their money. A concept that seems to be lost with today's youth. Everything does not need to be purchased all at once on a credit card.


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