Conservatives insist the rest of us live by their rules

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remember that to them we are just a bunch of scum that steal from them via taxes. those who can't work don't deserve to live. its the survival of the strongest. just a bunch of worthless thiefs to them. so they make their outpoken voters happy and they get to cut the budget.

What I don't understand is why so many conservatives, who themselves are on welfare (since it's been found that "Red States" are "Welfare Queen" states) tend to vote for politicians who want to slash the welfare budget. Do they really not realize that the politicians they're voting for want to take money away from them? It really seems like they have a huge cognitive disconnect there.

For those who don't understand, the closest thing to a Classical Liberal in US political parties is the Libertarian Party.

So to your thinking, you should vote for whoever promises you the most money?

Libertarians want to pretend that their personal freedoms (such as the freedom to own a gun) are more important than the long-term well-being of society. Both Britain and Australia have banned guns, and have little-to-no gun violence these days. Yet Libertarians don't care about that.

You know what else Libertarians don't care about? People who genuinely need welfare. Many Libertarians are anti-welfare, since they feel that they deserve every single penny they earn, and they don't care about social programs like welfare. In this way, it really doesn't make sense to me for Aspies to be Libertarians, since many Aspies are on welfare.

That's not a fair characterization.

I would never lobby for censorship and most liberals wouldn't.

People who make a jackass of themselves in public are usually terminated purely because their employer can't afford to be associated with them.

And usually some other bigot proudly hires them anyway.

Short of incitement you can say whatever you feel like saying.

And if what you said offends a lot of people, you are free to sleep in the bed you made for yourself.

Are you really trying to pretend that everyone who's on welfare feels as though they're entitled to money? Do you even realize that there are many of us, especially in the autism/Asperger's community, who simply cannot work a full-time job, and who, therefore, genuinely need welfare? Or are you too damned greedy and selfish to be able to care about us?

Frankly i prefer when bigots self-identify. Saves me from wasting any time or money on them.

well i doubt the ones voting for them are on welfare. many red states say they are a economic success and have very little if any welfare.
or they vote on other issues like I do and have to deal with the rest. there is no politician who meets 100% of a groups wants/needs.



they also have far higher violent crime rates. the focus should be on all crimes not the tool used. they got rid of gun crime sure but the criminals just started using other tools to do the crime and now knowing know one can defend themselves increase the amount of crimes they do.

really compared to our population we have small gun crime. you're talking about something like .00015% or something like that. yeah it sucks but its also wrong to take away 100 million peoples freedom for such a small number. we need to instead deal with why people commit crimes. in a lot of places gangs control it and you only choice is starve or join a gang. schools suck, there's a bad economy, hatred of cops, cops distrust of the people, etc. politicians go after feel good stuff rather then wanting to deal with the real problems.

shot to death, stabbed to death. you're still dead. never understand why stabbed to death is ok, but we must stop gun crime. I'd rather just not be killed. crime is the problem. it'd be like castrating all men to stop rape. I read a bunch of women calling for this. but we don't do it because not all men rape, so punishing everyone for the crimes of a few is not something we do in a civilized nation. so why punish 100 million people for the crimes of 10,000 people?

we don't ban cars when drunk drives kill people we punish the driver.

hope this doesn't cause you to dislike me

Why do they vote for those kind of politicians? Because said politicians wheel out bogeymen like gay marriage, or abortion, and say that they are against them for Christian family values, which people in the red states eat up. Or they'll talk about "those" people on public assistance which is really a - "nod, nod, wink, wink" - reference to racial minorities; the kind of racism that poor, rural whites can get behind, because they can't possibly be slamming white people! That's why red state voter vote against their own economic and political interests.

Well, lets look at that.

South Carolina is the worst offender, receiving $7.87 for every 1 dollar they pay in federal taxes.

They are projected to spend 1.2 billion this year on social welfare, for a population of 4.9 million people. Their GSP is 197 billion dollars.

So that's an average of $244.89 in welfare per person, and product of $40,204.08 per person.

Massachusetts, blue state, gets back a bit less than a dollar in federal spending for every dollar in federal taxes. They are projected to spend 7.7 billion dollars on on social welfare, for a population of 6.8 million. Their GSP is 475.7 billion dollars.

So that's an average of $1132.35 in welfare per person, and a product of $69,955.88 per person.

So yeah, the massholes spend 4.6 times as much on social welfare per person, but it's all their own money (if money is fungible, and it is). They also produce 1.75x as much wealth per person.

I don't feel like working it out for any more states. My feeling is that keeping down the poors is a false economy. I hear that there are economists who agree with this, but it's hardly a field i am expert in.

my sources:

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/com ... fare_spend

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/arc ... rs/361668/

So you think that the majority of people in Red States just don't vote at all? I mean, the only other alternative is admitting that conservatives do vote against their own interests, since I just proved that the majority of people in Red States (and remember, Red States are called such because they're states with a majority of Republicans) are on welfare. You did look at the link I provided, didn't you?


I both agree and disagree. We should be focusing on lowering the crime levels overall (I personally don't like the way that politicians seem to be outright ignoring gang violence out of fear of seeming racist), but we should also be ridding society of a tool that's only used for killing people. I mean, what's the point of owning a gun if you don't plan to use it to kill anyone? I don't understand the point of collecting guns, either. I mean, it's not like they're Pokemon cards or Beanie Babies. They're not going to gain any sort of monetary value over time.


Try telling the Sandy Hook parents that we have a small gun crime problem. Try telling the victims of Dylan Roof's massacre that. Try telling the victims of James Holmes's shooting (in the Aurora, CO movie theater) that. Those people can't bring back their loved ones, and that's all due to gun violence. The fact that you can't seem to work up any compassion at all for the victims of any of those massacres worries me. I hope it's just a case of you not seeing it from their point of view, rather than a case of you just not caring about them. You seem to be a caring person in general, so it'd surprise me if you didn't care about them.


It's much more likely to be shot to death than to be stabbed to death. Why pretend otherwise?

Also, what about the fact that up to 100 children a year die from accidental shootings? Or the fact that gun suicides accounted for 64 percent of all gun deaths in 2012? Do those things just not matter to you?

You know, if my parents owned a gun (and I'm damned glad that they don't), I'd most likely be dead by now, since I've been suicidal for some time and I'd have gladly shot myself if I had access to a gun. Do you just not care about that? Suicide by gun is so appealing to me, and to other suicidal people, because it's so simple, quick, relatively pain-free, and pretty much fail-proof.


Well, punishing shooters hasn't caused shootings to stop at all, so why shouldn't we try taking their weapons away from them? And why shouldn't we just try to stop gun-related deaths in general, since, like I just said, shooters aren't the only people who cause gun-related deaths. Children and suicidal people also cause them.


It's caused me to see you in a different light, that's for sure. I'd have never suspected you were a Libertarian.

I'm not opposed to welfare for those who genuinely need it. The problem is that it has been greatly overextended. If you genuinely need welfare to live, then you should be unhappy with the sheer number of freeloaders who could work but who don't. They are likely costing you much more than Republicans.

Can you prove that there are more of those freeloaders than there are Republicans on welfare? Because there are literally millions of Republicans on welfare. According to Pew Research, "17% [of Republicans] say they or someone in their household has benefitted from the food stamp program." And, seeing as there are currently 321 million people living in this country, 39% of whom are registered Republicans, that means that there are about 125 million Republicans. And 17% of 125 million is about 21 million.

So, with that said, your task right now is to prove that there are more than 21 million people freeloading off of welfare. Can you do that? Or will you admit that you were lying?

I don't know most Libertarians, but I will say that without our freedoms, there is no need to worry about long-term well-being of society -- it cannot exist. Society is only as great as the freedom of its members.

I agree that many are anti-welfare. That is their right. Keep in mind that there are many factions who consider themselves to be Libertarians just as there are some of us who are Independent because we refuse to align ourselves with those who greatly admire Ayn Rand.

As for whether it makes sense to you for Aspies to be Libertarians, that is your problem, not ours.

Honest people do NOT accuse others of lying for the sake of their argument. Now go away and leave the adults alone.