Ethical paradox: Would You Kill Baby Hitler?

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14 Feb 2021, 5:43 pm

Misslizard wrote:
Well you could throw the baby out with the bath water.ooopsy.
Or let a cat sit on baby Hitler and Burke him.
Place large fluffy pillows in the crib and lay lil’ Hitler face down.
Smoke heavily around the baby and blow it in Hitlers face.
Give him a recalled choking hazard pacifier.
Leave in car on hot day.
Leave near dingos.
Slather Hitler in bacon grease ad leave in woods in bear country.
Use baby to scotch a tire.


Aren't you forgetting that 'baby Hitler' was totally innocent?
It was the environmental experiences which made him evil.
Under the 'right' conditions, even lizard ladies could turn into a stalin.



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14 Feb 2021, 5:44 pm

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the Hindus don't call this a "hellworld" for nothing.


Was it a Hindu who said: "Life's a biatch and then you die?"



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14 Feb 2021, 6:09 pm

nobody but god knows for a fact that hitler would not still have become evil even if he was showered with all the right kind of love as a child. black sheep have existed since the days of cain.



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14 Feb 2021, 8:44 pm

Pepe wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Well you could throw the baby out with the bath water.ooopsy.
Or let a cat sit on baby Hitler and Burke him.
Place large fluffy pillows in the crib and lay lil’ Hitler face down.
Smoke heavily around the baby and blow it in Hitlers face.
Give him a recalled choking hazard pacifier.
Leave in car on hot day.
Leave near dingos.
Slather Hitler in bacon grease ad leave in woods in bear country.
Use baby to scotch a tire.


Aren't you forgetting that 'baby Hitler' was totally innocent?
It was the environmental experiences which made him evil.
Under the 'right' conditions, even lizard ladies could turn into a stalin.

Have you ever seen the movie “The Bad Seed”? :lol:


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14 Feb 2021, 8:56 pm

auntblabby wrote:
nobody but god knows for a fact that hitler would not still have become evil even if he was showered with all the right kind of love as a child. black sheep have existed since the days of cain.


We will never know.



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14 Feb 2021, 9:04 pm

Misslizard wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Well you could throw the baby out with the bath water.ooopsy.
Or let a cat sit on baby Hitler and Burke him.
Place large fluffy pillows in the crib and lay lil’ Hitler face down.
Smoke heavily around the baby and blow it in Hitlers face.
Give him a recalled choking hazard pacifier.
Leave in car on hot day.
Leave near dingos.
Slather Hitler in bacon grease ad leave in woods in bear country.
Use baby to scotch a tire.


Aren't you forgetting that 'baby Hitler' was totally innocent?
It was the environmental experiences which made him evil.
Under the 'right' conditions, even lizard ladies could turn into a stalin.

Have you ever seen the movie “The Bad Seed”? :lol:


I have.
She was a psychopath, I believe.
A psychopath doesn't have the potential of a conscience, at birth, but based on what I have read, even an 'evil' psychopath needs to be triggered into reaching their antisocial potential.

I am not sure Hitler was a psychopath, though.

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The psychopathography of Adolf Hitler is an umbrella term for psychiatric (pathographic, psychobiographic) literature that deals with the hypothesis that the German Führer and Reichskanzler Adolf Hitler suffered from mental illness, although Hitler was never diagnosed with any mental illnesses during his lifetime. Hitler has often been associated with mental disorders such as bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, and psychopathy, both during his lifetime and after his death. Psychiatrists and psychoanalysts who have diagnosed Hitler as having mental disturbance include well-known figures such as Walter C. Langer and Erich Fromm. Other researchers, such as Fritz Redlich, have concluded that Hitler probably did not have these disorders.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopat ... olf_Hitler



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14 Feb 2021, 9:09 pm

historians know that hitler put his trust in a quack doctor, who likely had something to do with his well-described psychoses.



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14 Feb 2021, 9:36 pm

Pepe wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Well you could throw the baby out with the bath water.ooopsy.
Or let a cat sit on baby Hitler and Burke him.
Place large fluffy pillows in the crib and lay lil’ Hitler face down.
Smoke heavily around the baby and blow it in Hitlers face.
Give him a recalled choking hazard pacifier.
Leave in car on hot day.
Leave near dingos.
Slather Hitler in bacon grease ad leave in woods in bear country.
Use baby to scotch a tire.


Aren't you forgetting that 'baby Hitler' was totally innocent?
It was the environmental experiences which made him evil.
Under the 'right' conditions, even lizard ladies could turn into a stalin.

Have you ever seen the movie “The Bad Seed”? :lol:


I have.
She was a psychopath, I believe.
A psychopath doesn't have the potential of a conscience, at birth, but based on what I have read, even an 'evil' psychopath needs to be triggered into reaching their antisocial potential.

I am not sure Hitler was a psychopath, though.

Quote:
The psychopathography of Adolf Hitler is an umbrella term for psychiatric (pathographic, psychobiographic) literature that deals with the hypothesis that the German Führer and Reichskanzler Adolf Hitler suffered from mental illness, although Hitler was never diagnosed with any mental illnesses during his lifetime. Hitler has often been associated with mental disorders such as bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, and psychopathy, both during his lifetime and after his death. Psychiatrists and psychoanalysts who have diagnosed Hitler as having mental disturbance include well-known figures such as Walter C. Langer and Erich Fromm. Other researchers, such as Fritz Redlich, have concluded that Hitler probably did not have these disorders.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopat ... olf_Hitler

I would think that killing millions of innocent people would rate high on the psychopath scale.


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14 Feb 2021, 9:41 pm

if a mass murderer is NOT a psychopath, then what in blazes IS s/he?



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15 Feb 2021, 2:09 pm

Baby Hitler should be shaken like a martini.


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15 Feb 2021, 2:15 pm

no, that is violence. he must be prevented from being born. like intervene to keep his parents apart somehow.



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18 Feb 2021, 5:30 am

Misslizard wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Well you could throw the baby out with the bath water.ooopsy.
Or let a cat sit on baby Hitler and Burke him.
Place large fluffy pillows in the crib and lay lil’ Hitler face down.
Smoke heavily around the baby and blow it in Hitlers face.
Give him a recalled choking hazard pacifier.
Leave in car on hot day.
Leave near dingos.
Slather Hitler in bacon grease ad leave in woods in bear country.
Use baby to scotch a tire.


Aren't you forgetting that 'baby Hitler' was totally innocent?
It was the environmental experiences which made him evil.
Under the 'right' conditions, even lizard ladies could turn into a stalin.

Have you ever seen the movie “The Bad Seed”? :lol:


I have.
She was a psychopath, I believe.
A psychopath doesn't have the potential of a conscience, at birth, but based on what I have read, even an 'evil' psychopath needs to be triggered into reaching their antisocial potential.

I am not sure Hitler was a psychopath, though.

Quote:
The psychopathography of Adolf Hitler is an umbrella term for psychiatric (pathographic, psychobiographic) literature that deals with the hypothesis that the German Führer and Reichskanzler Adolf Hitler suffered from mental illness, although Hitler was never diagnosed with any mental illnesses during his lifetime. Hitler has often been associated with mental disorders such as bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, and psychopathy, both during his lifetime and after his death. Psychiatrists and psychoanalysts who have diagnosed Hitler as having mental disturbance include well-known figures such as Walter C. Langer and Erich Fromm. Other researchers, such as Fritz Redlich, have concluded that Hitler probably did not have these disorders.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopat ... olf_Hitler

I would think that killing millions of innocent people would rate high on the psychopath scale.


No.
All it takes is the right ideology. 8)

Was 'Bomber Harris' a psychopath?
Were the Enola Gay crew psychopaths?
Was Stalin a psychopath? OK, that last one was a bad example. :mrgreen:



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18 Feb 2021, 5:32 am

auntblabby wrote:
no, that is violence. he must be prevented from being born. like intervene to keep his parents apart somehow.


Once again, change the environment which created a 'Hitler'.
Go back in time and deconstruct the Versailles Treaty.



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18 Feb 2021, 5:49 am

Hitler would have been just a frustrated painter if it wasn't for the massive wave of trauma, frustration and radicalization of German society of that time. He surfed that wave, to disastrous effects, but without him, this wave would have been there anyway and the disaster would likely have happened anyway - maybe in different shape (communism?).

In a book "For your own good", Alice Miller argues that an important factor in Hitler's story was harm done to him by his narcissistic father - and that upbringing like that was popular in Germany of that time, so his insanities could readily resonate in the broader society.


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18 Feb 2021, 8:02 am

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Hitler would have been just a frustrated painter if it wasn't for the massive wave of trauma, frustration and radicalization of German society of that time. He surfed that wave, to disastrous effects, but without him, this wave would have been there anyway and the disaster would likely have happened anyway - maybe in different shape (communism?).

In a book "For your own good", Alice Miller argues that an important factor in Hitler's story was harm done to him by his narcissistic father - and that upbringing like that was popular in Germany of that time, so his insanities could readily resonate in the broader society.


Indeed.



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18 Feb 2021, 10:41 am

Pepe wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Well you could throw the baby out with the bath water.ooopsy.
Or let a cat sit on baby Hitler and Burke him.
Place large fluffy pillows in the crib and lay lil’ Hitler face down.
Smoke heavily around the baby and blow it in Hitlers face.
Give him a recalled choking hazard pacifier.
Leave in car on hot day.
Leave near dingos.
Slather Hitler in bacon grease ad leave in woods in bear country.
Use baby to scotch a tire.


Aren't you forgetting that 'baby Hitler' was totally innocent?
It was the environmental experiences which made him evil.
Under the 'right' conditions, even lizard ladies could turn into a stalin.

Have you ever seen the movie “The Bad Seed”? :lol:


I have.
She was a psychopath, I believe.
A psychopath doesn't have the potential of a conscience, at birth, but based on what I have read, even an 'evil' psychopath needs to be triggered into reaching their antisocial potential.

I am not sure Hitler was a psychopath, though.

Quote:
The psychopathography of Adolf Hitler is an umbrella term for psychiatric (pathographic, psychobiographic) literature that deals with the hypothesis that the German Führer and Reichskanzler Adolf Hitler suffered from mental illness, although Hitler was never diagnosed with any mental illnesses during his lifetime. Hitler has often been associated with mental disorders such as bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, and psychopathy, both during his lifetime and after his death. Psychiatrists and psychoanalysts who have diagnosed Hitler as having mental disturbance include well-known figures such as Walter C. Langer and Erich Fromm. Other researchers, such as Fritz Redlich, have concluded that Hitler probably did not have these disorders.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopat ... olf_Hitler

I would think that killing millions of innocent people would rate high on the psychopath scale.


No.
All it takes is the right ideology. 8)

Was 'Bomber Harris' a psychopath?
Were the Enola Gay crew psychopaths?
Was Stalin a psychopath? OK, that last one was a bad example. :mrgreen:

The first two were following orders given to them.I doubt they enjoyed it.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reu ... dUSB131392

Hitler gave the orders and enjoyed doing so.


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