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12 Dec 2015, 4:06 am

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Both the Left and the Right fight dirty.

Trump might not be dumb---but he does say stupid things.

There is an element of the Fascist to him--but I don't believe he advocates the extermination of multiple races of people.

I think he's a clown, a buffoon, etc. I don't feel an incentive to defend the guy.


Actually, Mr. K, what that guy said is illegal in the state of Kansas - he should be in jail. That's why he stepped down. And like it says in the article, some people might take him literally and decide to carry out his threat themselves. So far, I haven't heard anyone on the Right saying such things.


What the guy said is the same as saying Black people who try to vote will be shot.

Just words is Assault, and in this case directed at an identifiable group, who happen to be voters in an American election. It has a Political part, threats of bodily harm to a Political group,

Terrorism is defined as the use, or threat of use of force, to achieve political ends through fear.

Next, as a person working for the ACLU, he is in position to give civic approval to extra judicial killings.

He is like an Imam at a Mosque telling the faithful to kill Trump, and all his supporters.

We have some of those in jail for calling for the first bomb attack on the World Trade Center.

He did not do anything, make the bomb, deliver it, he just called for it to happen. He got life.



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12 Dec 2015, 12:49 pm

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The American system was built for that Christian sects could live together.
WRONG!

It was the English colonies that were established by the Puritan sect in 1620 for the expressed purpose of uniting one people under one religion. It took only 50 years or so (two generations) for more secular laws to take over while they were still called the "English Colonies in America", and while they were still under the rule of England.

By the time of the Declaration of Independence in 1776, the Puritans were no longer in power. By the time the United States of America was finally recognized as a sovereign nation in 1783, the First Article of the Bill of Rights established separation of Church and State, thus making certain that no one religion would ever again dominate the political landscape.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

Learn your history. This country is NOT "of, by, and for" Christians only, but for ALL the citizens of the United States of America, no matter what their religions may be.


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12 Dec 2015, 3:25 pm

Fnord wrote:
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The American system was built for that Christian sects could live together.
WRONG!

It was the English colonies that were established by the Puritan sect in 1620 for the expressed purpose of uniting one people under one religion. It took only 50 years or so (two generations) for more secular laws to take over while they were still called the "English Colonies in America", and while they were still under the rule of England.

By the time of the Declaration of Independence in 1776, the Puritans were no longer in power. By the time the United States of America was finally recognized as a sovereign nation in 1783, the First Article of the Bill of Rights established separation of Church and State, thus making certain that no one religion would ever again dominate the political landscape.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

Learn your history. This country is NOT "of, by, and for" Christians only, but for ALL the citizens of the United States of America, no matter what their religions may be.


:thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: I wish there was something for applause I could give you for that answer!


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12 Dec 2015, 6:08 pm

Because Republicans and Democrats have nothing better to do but to fight with each other is a reason why I wish third party candidates were to be viewed more seriously.

Here's a link for a video that Trump is on called "10 Famous D-Bags." Enjoy! :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF-Z7WlwjTo


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12 Dec 2015, 7:13 pm

A Mosque in California was just recently firebombed. No one can tell me that this terrorism against Muslim Americans isn't happening because of the hate storm Trump has been stirring up to promote his own political ambitions.


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12 Dec 2015, 7:52 pm

Trump is a d**khead. Enough said.


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12 Dec 2015, 7:55 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
A Mosque in California was just recently firebombed. No one can tell me that this terrorism against Muslim Americans isn't happening because of the hate storm Trump has been stirring up to promote his own political ambitions.


Maybe the fact that we have been at war with Muslims for decades has something to do with it?

From the news I remember ....

Before evil ISIS
there was evil "AL Queda" trying to kill Americans
before evil "AL Queda", there there was evil "Taliban" trying to kill Americans
before evil "Taliban", there was evil "Bin Laden" and his crew trying to kill Americans
before evil "Bin Laden" and his crew, there was the evil "Sadam Hussein" trying to kill Americans
before evil "Sadam Hussein" there was the evil "Yasser Arafat" and his crew trying to kill Americans
before "Yasser Arafat" and his crew, there was the dreaded evil "Ayatollah khomeini" trying to kill Americans

Any wonder why Americans hate Muslims?

How more millions of Muslims we will kill before it stops?



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13 Dec 2015, 1:14 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
A Mosque in California was just recently firebombed. No one can tell me that this terrorism against Muslim Americans isn't happening because of the hate storm Trump has been stirring up to promote his own political ambitions.


Maybe the fact that we have been at war with Muslims for decades has something to do with it?

From the news I remember ....

Before evil ISIS
there was evil "AL Queda" trying to kill Americans
before evil "AL Queda", there there was evil "Taliban" trying to kill Americans
before evil "Taliban", there was evil "Bin Laden" and his crew trying to kill Americans
before evil "Bin Laden" and his crew, there was the evil "Sadam Hussein" trying to kill Americans
before evil "Sadam Hussein" there was the evil "Yasser Arafat" and his crew trying to kill Americans
before "Yasser Arafat" and his crew, there was the dreaded evil "Ayatollah khomeini" trying to kill Americans

Any wonder why Americans hate Muslims?

How more millions of Muslims we will kill before it stops?


Blaming Muslims who are not our enemies - particularly those who are our fellow Americans - certainly isn't going to stop it.
Incidentally, Saddam Hussein, and even the Taliban, were our allies before they were our enemies. Our government used to supply them with weapons and money till they weren't our friends anymore.


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13 Dec 2015, 2:28 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
A Mosque in California was just recently firebombed. No one can tell me that this terrorism against Muslim Americans isn't happening because of the hate storm Trump has been stirring up to promote his own political ambitions.
Maybe the fact that we have been at war with Muslims for decades has something to do with it?

From the news I remember ....

Before evil ISIS
there was evil "AL Queda" trying to kill Americans
before evil "AL Queda", there there was evil "Taliban" trying to kill Americans
before evil "Taliban", there was evil "Bin Laden" and his crew trying to kill Americans
before evil "Bin Laden" and his crew, there was the evil "Sadam Hussein" trying to kill Americans
before evil "Sadam Hussein" there was the evil "Yasser Arafat" and his crew trying to kill Americans
before "Yasser Arafat" and his crew, there was the dreaded evil "Ayatollah khomeini" trying to kill Americans

Any wonder why Americans hate Muslims?

How more millions of Muslims we will kill before it stops?

When was Saddam Hussein trying to kill Americans?



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13 Dec 2015, 2:42 am

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I'm sure there have been Muslims who told the authorities about radicals.

There are Muslims, believe it or not, who want to live, and who don't believe in the 77 virgins scenario.



It depends on where the Imam was taught and the type of literature at the Mosque. If the Imam is a Wahhabi they are most likely to be radical. If there is radicalized literature at the Mosque then the teachings will be radicalized.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alastair- ... 17157.html


Sorry to bother you frenchmanflats but I was waiting to see if other well read individuals would be interested in challenging your statement. Thank you for this information. It makes things somewhat more understandable.


Thank You,. It also what country the Imam is taught. A Imam from Egypt is different from an Imam in Iran or Saudi Arablia. So you have a very wide spectrum of Imams and their teachings.



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13 Dec 2015, 3:29 am

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LoveNotHate wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
A Mosque in California was just recently firebombed. No one can tell me that this terrorism against Muslim Americans isn't happening because of the hate storm Trump has been stirring up to promote his own political ambitions.
Maybe the fact that we have been at war with Muslims for decades has something to do with it?

From the news I remember ....

Before evil ISIS
there was evil "AL Queda" trying to kill Americans
before evil "AL Queda", there there was evil "Taliban" trying to kill Americans
before evil "Taliban", there was evil "Bin Laden" and his crew trying to kill Americans
before evil "Bin Laden" and his crew, there was the evil "Sadam Hussein" trying to kill Americans
before evil "Sadam Hussein" there was the evil "Yasser Arafat" and his crew trying to kill Americans
before "Yasser Arafat" and his crew, there was the dreaded evil "Ayatollah khomeini" trying to kill Americans

Any wonder why Americans hate Muslims?

How more millions of Muslims we will kill before it stops?

When was Saddam Hussein trying to kill Americans?

I was referring to the news from the generals and president Bush.

However, here is a website with some of his threats:

U.S.S. Cole Bombing, October 12, 2000
"[Iraqis] should intensify struggle and jihad in all fields and by all means..."
Iraq TV, October 22, 2000 (State-controlled)

"If the attacks of September 11 cost the lives of 3,000 civilians, how much will the size of losses in 50 states within 100 cities if it were attacked in the same way in which New York and Washington were? What would happen if hundreds of planes attacked American cities?"
Al-Rafidayn, September 11, 2002 (State-controlled newspaper)

"What is required now is to deal strong blows to U.S. and British interests. These blows should be strong enough to make them feel that their interests are indeed threatened not only by words but also in deeds."
Al-Qadisiyah, February 27, 1999 (State-controlled newspaper)

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/iraq/sadquots.htm



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13 Dec 2015, 4:35 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
A Mosque in California was just recently firebombed. No one can tell me that this terrorism against Muslim Americans isn't happening because of the hate storm Trump has been stirring up to promote his own political ambitions.
Maybe the fact that we have been at war with Muslims for decades has something to do with it?

From the news I remember ....

Before evil ISIS
there was evil "AL Queda" trying to kill Americans
before evil "AL Queda", there there was evil "Taliban" trying to kill Americans
before evil "Taliban", there was evil "Bin Laden" and his crew trying to kill Americans
before evil "Bin Laden" and his crew, there was the evil "Sadam Hussein" trying to kill Americans
before evil "Sadam Hussein" there was the evil "Yasser Arafat" and his crew trying to kill Americans
before "Yasser Arafat" and his crew, there was the dreaded evil "Ayatollah khomeini" trying to kill Americans

Any wonder why Americans hate Muslims?

How more millions of Muslims we will kill before it stops?

When was Saddam Hussein trying to kill Americans?

I was referring to the news from the generals and president Bush.

However, here is a website with some of his threats:

U.S.S. Cole Bombing, October 12, 2000
"[Iraqis] should intensify struggle and jihad in all fields and by all means..."
Iraq TV, October 22, 2000 (State-controlled)

"If the attacks of September 11 cost the lives of 3,000 civilians, how much will the size of losses in 50 states within 100 cities if it were attacked in the same way in which New York and Washington were? What would happen if hundreds of planes attacked American cities?"
Al-Rafidayn, September 11, 2002 (State-controlled newspaper)

"What is required now is to deal strong blows to U.S. and British interests. These blows should be strong enough to make them feel that their interests are indeed threatened not only by words but also in deeds."
Al-Qadisiyah, February 27, 1999 (State-controlled newspaper)

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/iraq/sadquots.htm

You didn't answer my question.

When was Saddam Hussein trying to kill Americans?

Boastful threats in news sources don't count. They occur all the time... If we were to believe those, the entire world is seconds away from being "annihilated" by North Korea 24/7...

The reason why I am asking is because the US-led 2003 invasion of Iraq, which was (1) unprovoked and (2) based on false assumptions currently has accumulated a death toll (latest estimate as of June 30, 2011) of at least 461,000 (the vast majority of those being civilian and Muslim).
http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/inf ... ed.1001533

Take all the Talibans, Al Qaedas, ISIS, Arafats, Saddam Husseins and Khomeinis combined, and they still haven't inflicted more than a tiny fraction of that death toll upon Americans.

And the 461,000 number is likely a vast understatement, as it doesn't include the added deaths due to the fact that the 2003 invasion of Iraq was instrumental in creating ISIS (as it drew its founder Abu Musab al-Zarqawi into Iraq)... and thus one of the main reasons (perhaps the main reason - Remember: ISIS entered Syria from Iraq) why the world is currently facing such a massive Syrian refugee crisis.

But now, may European countries who were *against* the Iraq war have to deal with a massive inflow of refugees while many in the US - often those who were most adamantly in favour of invading Iraq - won't even lift a finger...

Oh, the hypocrisy!



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13 Dec 2015, 5:43 am

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You didn't answer my question.

When was Saddam Hussein trying to kill Americans?

Well, citing Bush's 'Case for Action'
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=91159&page=1

Bush says:

-Iraq has provided safe haven to terrorists such as Abu Nidal, whose terror organization carried out more than ninety terrorist attacks in twenty countries that killed or injured nearly 900 people, including 12 Americans.

-Iraq has also provided safe haven to Abu Abbas, who was responsible for seizing the Achille Lauro and killing an American passenger.

So, apparently Saddam was making threats against the U.S. and providing safe haven to terrorists who killed Americans.

Or perhaps these are made up. I don't know.

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The reason why I am asking is because the US-led 2003 invasion of Iraq, which was (1) unprovoked and (2) based on false assumptions currently has accumulated a death toll (latest estimate as of June 30, 2011) of at least 461,000 (the vast majority of those being civilian and Muslim).
http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/inf ... ed.1001533

OK.

Also, I think there is a lot of death following 9/11. We did a lot of retaliation bombing.

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Take all the Talibans, Al Qaedas, ISIS, Arafats, Saddam Husseins and Khomeinis combined, and they still haven't inflicted more than a tiny fraction of that death toll upon Americans.

And that's the way we like it ;)



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13 Dec 2015, 8:10 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
You didn't answer my question.

When was Saddam Hussein trying to kill Americans?
Well, citing Bush's 'Case for Action'
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=91159&page=1

Bush says:

-Iraq has provided safe haven to terrorists such as Abu Nidal, whose terror organization carried out more than ninety terrorist attacks in twenty countries that killed or injured nearly 900 people, including 12 Americans.

-Iraq has also provided safe haven to Abu Abbas, who was responsible for seizing the Achille Lauro and killing an American passenger.

So, apparently Saddam was making threats against the U.S. and providing safe haven to terrorists who killed Americans.

Or perhaps these are made up. I don't know.

Abu Nidal was killed by Saddam Hussein's forces, either deliberately or accidentally during interrogation...

He also died in august 2002, 7 months before the invasion of Iraq.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Nidal

And Abu Abbas wasn't even wanted by the US...
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/03/world ... anted.html

Or, in other words...
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Bush says:
.. Incoming BS detected...



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13 Dec 2015, 10:56 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
You didn't answer my question.

When was Saddam Hussein trying to kill Americans?

Well, citing Bush's 'Case for Action'
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=91159&page=1

Bush says:

-Iraq has provided safe haven to terrorists such as Abu Nidal, whose terror organization carried out more than ninety terrorist attacks in twenty countries that killed or injured nearly 900 people, including 12 Americans.

-Iraq has also provided safe haven to Abu Abbas, who was responsible for seizing the Achille Lauro and killing an American passenger.

So, apparently Saddam was making threats against the U.S. and providing safe haven to terrorists who killed Americans.

Or perhaps these are made up. I don't know.

GGPViper wrote:
The reason why I am asking is because the US-led 2003 invasion of Iraq, which was (1) unprovoked and (2) based on false assumptions currently has accumulated a death toll (latest estimate as of June 30, 2011) of at least 461,000 (the vast majority of those being civilian and Muslim).
http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/inf ... ed.1001533

OK.

Also, I think there is a lot of death following 9/11. We did a lot of retaliation bombing.

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Take all the Talibans, Al Qaedas, ISIS, Arafats, Saddam Husseins and Khomeinis combined, and they still haven't inflicted more than a tiny fraction of that death toll upon Americans.

And that's the way we like it ;)


Bush's intelligence was not very good and I am bieng very kind here. Where are the WMD's that was the main justification for the war that has led to ISIS?


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13 Dec 2015, 2:21 pm

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LoveNotHate wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
You didn't answer my question.

When was Saddam Hussein trying to kill Americans?

Well, citing Bush's 'Case for Action'
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=91159&page=1

Bush says:

-Iraq has provided safe haven to terrorists such as Abu Nidal, whose terror organization carried out more than ninety terrorist attacks in twenty countries that killed or injured nearly 900 people, including 12 Americans.

-Iraq has also provided safe haven to Abu Abbas, who was responsible for seizing the Achille Lauro and killing an American passenger.

So, apparently Saddam was making threats against the U.S. and providing safe haven to terrorists who killed Americans.

Or perhaps these are made up. I don't know.

GGPViper wrote:
The reason why I am asking is because the US-led 2003 invasion of Iraq, which was (1) unprovoked and (2) based on false assumptions currently has accumulated a death toll (latest estimate as of June 30, 2011) of at least 461,000 (the vast majority of those being civilian and Muslim).
http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/inf ... ed.1001533

OK.

Also, I think there is a lot of death following 9/11. We did a lot of retaliation bombing.

GGPViper wrote:
Take all the Talibans, Al Qaedas, ISIS, Arafats, Saddam Husseins and Khomeinis combined, and they still haven't inflicted more than a tiny fraction of that death toll upon Americans.

And that's the way we like it ;)


Bush's intelligence was not very good and I am bieng very kind here. Where are the WMD's that was the main justification for the war that has led to ISIS?


You know, there are righties even today who honestly believe we did find WMD in Iraq. :roll:


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