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11 Jan 2009, 4:44 pm

I'm not sure if anyone posted this yet, but I didn't feel like wading through eleven pages of comments.

From Wikipedia:

"Michael Fitzgerald, an expert in autism spectrum disorders, concludes that Hitler suffered from, and met all the criteria of Asperger syndrome as documented by Hans Asperger.[8] As evidence of Asperger's Fitzgerald cites Hitler's poor sleep patterns, food fads, dislike of physical contact, inability to forge genuine friendships, and an emptiness in his human relations. His conversations in the Men’s Home in Vienna were really harangues and invited no reciprocity, for which he lacked this capacity. In Munich he was distant, self-contained, withdrawn and without friends. His comrades noted that he had no humanitarian feelings. He was obsessive and rarely made good or interesting company, except in the eyes of those who shared his obsessions or those in awe of, or dependent on him. He was single minded and inflexible. He spent a great deal of time with Albert Speer, examining architectural plans, and this remained a major focus of his life throughout. His other major interest was in the music of Wagner. His greatest interest, clearly, was in control over people and power over people."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitl ... cal_health

I would also suggest watching the German movie The Downfall, the AS characteristics are salient and I doubt the film's creators even had the condition in mind when producing it.


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11 Jan 2009, 4:46 pm

Michael Fitzgerald likes to set himself up as an expert on Aspergers. He says a lot of weird things.



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11 Jan 2009, 4:52 pm

Not sure if this is possible, but he could have had AS and been a psychopath at the same time.



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11 Jan 2009, 5:01 pm

ignisfatuus wrote:
I'm not sure if anyone posted this yet, but I didn't feel like wading through eleven pages of comments.

From Wikipedia:

"Michael Fitzgerald, an expert in autism spectrum disorders, concludes that Hitler suffered from, and met all the criteria of Asperger syndrome as documented by Hans Asperger.[8] As evidence of Asperger's Fitzgerald cites Hitler's poor sleep patterns, food fads, dislike of physical contact, inability to forge genuine friendships, and an emptiness in his human relations. His conversations in the Men’s Home in Vienna were really harangues and invited no reciprocity, for which he lacked this capacity. In Munich he was distant, self-contained, withdrawn and without friends. His comrades noted that he had no humanitarian feelings. He was obsessive and rarely made good or interesting company, except in the eyes of those who shared his obsessions or those in awe of, or dependent on him. He was single minded and inflexible. He spent a great deal of time with Albert Speer, examining architectural plans, and this remained a major focus of his life throughout. His other major interest was in the music of Wagner. His greatest interest, clearly, was in control over people and power over people."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitl ... cal_health

I would also suggest watching the German movie The Downfall, the AS characteristics are salient and I doubt the film's creators even had the condition in mind when producing it.

Lol - I think its been mentioned at least twice so far. The Downfall I might give a spin though :)



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11 Jan 2009, 5:14 pm

Kangoogle wrote:
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Hell hitler topic

A psychopath/sociopath. Megalomaniac. Mass murderer.

And very much dead. Unfortunately, there is still evil in the world. :evil:

Of course; the society which made him in the first place.


You would absolve Hitler of all liability? :o Interesting.

I would absolve him of some of the liability - he recognised the broader problem and the problem was not of his making. Unfortunately his attempt at a solution was pretty disastrous and ill-conceived.


So you're saying he wasn't really such a bad guy, and that he was only trying to do what he thought was right.

Interesting.

I am saying that he was not totally evil - yes he did some evil things but he did in his own twisted way want to make the world a better place. I would say he was misguided for the most part - but he got one thing right, that being society needs sorting out.


I don't think you understand how evil that man actually was. Are you a White Nationalist or something?



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11 Jan 2009, 5:24 pm

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He didn't want to make the world a better place. He wanted to make it a better place for a select group of people chosen on racial/cultural lines. Shooting someone so I can have his house might make my life better, but it doesn't make the world a better place and no-one would think that was what I was trying to do.

Unless you saw that person as evil or as having done wrong to you - which was how he saw the Jews (albeit, I am at pains to stress incorrectly).


...And all other non-white races, and most Europeans, and the disabled, and the intellectuals, and anyone who suggested he might be wrong? No. Fascism selects one group of people as important and allows no rights to anyone else. This underclass becomes material for enriching or empowering the elect, who hold their power by force. They do it, not because they think these people evil, but for the perks and the love of power they get at the expense of their fellow man.

Its funny you say that - because the US (heavily backed by Israel and other bedfellows) has taken a similar line over the last 50 years, which has involved messing up over 70 countries in one way or another. The US presidents are treated like heroes in their own country. Stalin was nearly voted in Russia as the greatest Russian recently (he was well in the lead until the radio station running the poll pleaded for people to vote for anyone but) - and he was nearly as evil. Hitler has been taken us a convenient boogie man by people claiming Fascism and then use it as an excuse to stop any kind of social reform. Yes he did lots of evil things, but so does society. The difference here is that society continues to do this to this day.



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11 Jan 2009, 5:26 pm

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Not sure if this is possible, but he could have had AS and been a psychopath at the same time.

As long as he was not Schizophrenic, yes.



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11 Jan 2009, 5:27 pm

slowmutant wrote:
Kangoogle wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
Kangoogle wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
Kangoogle wrote:
sartresue wrote:
Hell hitler topic

A psychopath/sociopath. Megalomaniac. Mass murderer.

And very much dead. Unfortunately, there is still evil in the world. :evil:

Of course; the society which made him in the first place.


You would absolve Hitler of all liability? :o Interesting.

I would absolve him of some of the liability - he recognised the broader problem and the problem was not of his making. Unfortunately his attempt at a solution was pretty disastrous and ill-conceived.


So you're saying he wasn't really such a bad guy, and that he was only trying to do what he thought was right.

Interesting.

I am saying that he was not totally evil - yes he did some evil things but he did in his own twisted way want to make the world a better place. I would say he was misguided for the most part - but he got one thing right, that being society needs sorting out.


I don't think you understand how evil that man actually was. Are you a White Nationalist or something?

Nope - a socialist of sorts.



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11 Jan 2009, 5:32 pm

Kangoogle wrote:
Psiri wrote:
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He didn't want to make the world a better place. He wanted to make it a better place for a select group of people chosen on racial/cultural lines. Shooting someone so I can have his house might make my life better, but it doesn't make the world a better place and no-one would think that was what I was trying to do.

Unless you saw that person as evil or as having done wrong to you - which was how he saw the Jews (albeit, I am at pains to stress incorrectly).


...And all other non-white races, and most Europeans, and the disabled, and the intellectuals, and anyone who suggested he might be wrong? No. Fascism selects one group of people as important and allows no rights to anyone else. This underclass becomes material for enriching or empowering the elect, who hold their power by force. They do it, not because they think these people evil, but for the perks and the love of power they get at the expense of their fellow man.

Its funny you say that - because the US (heavily backed by Israel and other bedfellows) has taken a similar line over the last 50 years, which has involved messing up over 70 countries in one way or another. The US presidents are treated like heroes in their own country. Stalin was nearly voted in Russia as the greatest Russian recently (he was well in the lead until the radio station running the poll pleaded for people to vote for anyone but) - and he was nearly as evil. Hitler has been taken us a convenient boogie man by people claiming Fascism and then use it as an excuse to stop any kind of social reform. Yes he did lots of evil things, but so does society. The difference here is that society continues to do this to this day.


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Yes he did lots of evil things, but so does society


That kind of trivializes everything the Nazis did. Do you realize what you're saying?



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11 Jan 2009, 5:39 pm

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Yes he did lots of evil things, but so does society


You're mincing words. You might as well say, "I admire Adolf Hitler and the Nazi way of thinking."

Go ahead, say it.



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11 Jan 2009, 5:42 pm

slowmutant wrote:
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Yes he did lots of evil things, but so does society


You're mincing words. You might as well say, "I admire Adolf Hitler and the Nazi way of thinking."

Go ahead, say it.

*watches the self professed "Anti-Fascist" show his Fascist tendencies*



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11 Jan 2009, 6:03 pm

Kangoogle wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
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Yes he did lots of evil things, but so does society


You're mincing words. You might as well say, "I admire Adolf Hitler and the Nazi way of thinking."

Go ahead, say it.

*watches the self professed "Anti-Fascist" show his Fascist tendencies*


D'oh! >_<



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11 Jan 2009, 6:06 pm

I don’t think the fact that German society embraced anti-Semitism and Nazism absolves Hitler of any of the moral responsibility for the atrocities that took place. He wouldn’t be any more evil if he had acted alone. Plus, historically the perpetrators of aggression and genocide never actually believe they are doing something wrong. Of course what they’re doing will be right in their own mind. That doesn’t excuse anything.



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11 Jan 2009, 6:44 pm

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I don’t think the fact that German society embraced anti-Semitism and Nazism absolves Hitler of any of the moral responsibility for the atrocities that took place. He wouldn’t be any more evil if he had acted alone. Plus, historically the perpetrators of aggression and genocide never actually believe they are doing something wrong. Of course what they’re doing will be right in their own mind. That doesn’t excuse anything.


That's a funny way of looking at the question. Generally the people under authority, in this case German society, are the ones absolved from moral responsibility and the leaders take the blame. You've turned this on its head. Is this an aspie thing I wonder?

I remember being in a mob once, student politics and all that, with someone making a heated speech - I can't even remember what about - but I remember being very suggestible. Waves of sentiment rode through the crowd, everyone responding the same. The speaker had everyone in the palm of his hand. It was a scary thing to notice and it explains a lot of how nations can turn into a bunch of murdering lunatics. The thing to remember is that the speaker isn't part of the mob, he's the manipulator of it. He may or may not believe what he's saying, he may well believe that he's above notions of right and wrong. The point isn't ethics, it's power. Hitler said as much himself.

Also, Kangoogle; are you taking the piss?


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11 Jan 2009, 6:48 pm

I don't think he is.

Take the piss ... funny expression. :lol:

BTW what does it mean to "crack the s**t?" :lol:



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11 Jan 2009, 7:01 pm

"Crack the sh*t?"

Never heard of it. That an american one?


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