SJW and autism
Ganondox wrote:
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Geekonychus wrote:
In my experience, SJW is just a blanket insult for anyone (especially women) who dares have an opinion that's left of center on the internet. The term is way too broadly applied to just fit your very specific strawman definition.
You should all just be honest and use the terms liberal or feminist instead of hiding your animosities behind silly acronyms. At least then you'd be easier to understand and take seriously.
You should all just be honest and use the terms liberal or feminist instead of hiding your animosities behind silly acronyms. At least then you'd be easier to understand and take seriously.
It's not MY ridiculous strawman, I'm trying to explain how people use the term to you. I myself am very liberal, but of course there plenty of liberals, particularly teenage ones, who simply don't know what they are talking about, and that's where most the SJW stereotypes come from.
Being against gay conversation therapy doesn't make someone an SJW, of course they turned on you. In the past before it was made illegal, most of it WAS torture.
I don't know what gay conversion therapy is like so I can't even understand how it's even torture. What do they do to the patients in there? It would be interesting to see if there were videos about it or stories about being in gay conversion therapy. I think it's harsh to turn against someone for not knowing about gay conversion therapy. That is just called ignorance or naivety than bigotry or homophobia. But if they refused to be educated about it and refused to listen and understand, then that would be another story.
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Geekonychus wrote:
You should all just be honest and use the terms liberal or feminist instead of hiding your animosities behind silly acronyms.
Ironically enough, I use SJW specifically so that I don't indiscriminately tar liberals and feminists with the label of zealot, but apparently the whole concept is lost on you.
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Jacoby wrote:
SJWs do not seem very friendly towards autistics, they do not seem very helpful or accepting.
SJW's are all around disgusting
I'm on a pop culture forum and they are rabid over there. They literally chant when a Trump supporter is attacked and think they deserve it.
Do they want a one party system? I don't like Trump but I think trying to make it socially unacceptable for people to vote for the candidate of their choice is undemocratic. Are these people against democracy?
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Tomzy95 wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
SJWs do not seem very friendly towards autistics, they do not seem very helpful or accepting.
SJW's are all around disgusting
I'm on a pop culture forum and they are rabid over there. They literally chant when a Trump supporter is attacked and think they deserve it.
Do they want a one party system? I don't like Trump but I think trying to make it socially unacceptable for people to vote for the candidate of their choice is undemocratic. Are these people against democracy?
They seem to have very conflicting attitudes depending on what the issue is. They preach tolerance, and yet display total intolerance of what they're against. They preach freedom of speech, and yet voraciously suppress what they don't want said.
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EzraS wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Tomzy95 wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
SJWs do not seem very friendly towards autistics, they do not seem very helpful or accepting.
SJW's are all around disgusting
I'm on a pop culture forum and they are rabid over there. They literally chant when a Trump supporter is attacked and think they deserve it.
Do they want a one party system? I don't like Trump but I think trying to make it socially unacceptable for people to vote for the candidate of their choice is undemocratic. Are these people against democracy?
They seem to have very conflicting attitudes depending on what the issue is. They preach tolerance, and yet display total intolerance of what they're against. They preach freedom of speech, and yet voraciously suppress what they don't want said.
Don't forget the way they say they're for diversity and yet they want everyone to be the same.
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Feminism is just another way to tell women how to think
You know what? When some slightly nutty feminist leader tells me what to think, I don't really care, because she has no real power to make me do what she wants me to do.
On the other hand, I was mistreated at work for being pregnant and sick. That's a real power imbalance; in that situation you are completely dependent on others.
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Ganondox wrote:
Unless you conflate neo-conservatives with SJWs, which actually makes sense when you think about it.
Wait, what? Why would anyone conflate neocons with SJWs? Jacoby wrote:
The exert their power culturally and thru social media, also they're a huge problem on college campuses too where they wield a ton of influence.
If they can get people who disagree with them expelled from colleges then people who disagree with them will become janitors and other blue collar jobs meaning the people who graduate will have a higher proportion of SJWs than the general population and that means the people in the near-future white collar workplace will be disproportionately SJW (more people to get you fired for using the wrong term).If a lot of non-SJWs get expelled from college and end up working as janitors and a lot of SJWs graduate then many of the people in news media will be SJWs and they'll be able to fill the news with their bias and opinions. It means many people in politics will be SJWs. It means many teachers will be SJWs.
I'm not saying only SJWs will graduate but it could be a higher proportion. If this leads to a higher proportion of journalists, politicians and teachers being SJWs then it will become more socially acceptable to expel people who disagree with SJWs, leading to a positive feedback loop.
It won't last forever. Each generation rebels against their parents ideals so 20 or 30 years from now, middle aged SJWs will have their teenaged kids rebelling against what they see as an old fashioned and uncool ideal.
tick wrote:
The SJWs are not what being a liberal is really about, please don't go to the extreme political right because of some ignorant and misguided kids trying to be cool.
Yes, I think this is a serious concern. If SJWs yell at people for no good reason, it actually could drive them to the extreme political right.Especially if people feel like SJWs have taken their voice away (by saying stuff like "your opinion doesn't count because you have white privilege", they could think joining the right is the only way to regain their voice.
I think this is already happening and I think it's giving the right wing more power. I find this quite alarming.
Because neo-cons have the same attitude of good vs. evil, must-enforce-our-views-on-others, the difference is the neo-cons actually have power.
Anyway, if someone can be convicted of rape and not expelled from university, then I don't think the SJWs are any threat.
PS: Back in my day, SJW was used specifically to refer to people who took up others group's causes despite being unwanted (e. Kony 2012), now it just seems to be blanket applied to anyone with progressive stances the user doesn't like. It's impossible to have a real conversation if no one knows who is ACTUALLY be criticized and for what, all it does is create a circlejerk of hate because SJW is a negative label.
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underwater wrote:
.....Hitler was considered a buffoon.....that's why he was accepted by the Conservative elite. They thought they could control him.
....Hitler was a socialist?
He was only accepted by the 'conservative elite' after 1933 because the conservative elite had minimal power to begin with - with each passing election typical conservative views faltered and it became a race between the Nazi Party and the Communist Party, both of whom are more or less socialists with varying degrees of marxism by todays standard. The social democrat party - the 'old guard' party, was quickly loosing its power. They staked their bets on Hitler (lesser of two evils) but had minimal effect in his rise to power; it's why he was able to dispose of them so quickly after achieving it.
That said, you easily could compare Nazi Germany to a communist state in more ways then one. It was just masked as a capitalist society, but the extent of crony capitalism (the government had the control to remove all company heads and replace them with party members who would put the party first) more or less achieves the definition of communism - the government - and the Nazi party specifically, had achieved seizing the means of production and redistributing them.
Hitler wasn't a socialist though, literally the first thing he did after raising to power was get rid of all the actual socialists in his party so only the conservatives remained.
Anyway, that is NOT definition of communism, at least not the Marxist one, as in the Marxist one there is no government. It's the proletariat who seize the means of production and share it among themselves (not redistribute, capital cannot be privately owned under communism, it's shared by the community, people can still have person effects though).
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League_Girl wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Geekonychus wrote:
In my experience, SJW is just a blanket insult for anyone (especially women) who dares have an opinion that's left of center on the internet. The term is way too broadly applied to just fit your very specific strawman definition.
You should all just be honest and use the terms liberal or feminist instead of hiding your animosities behind silly acronyms. At least then you'd be easier to understand and take seriously.
You should all just be honest and use the terms liberal or feminist instead of hiding your animosities behind silly acronyms. At least then you'd be easier to understand and take seriously.
It's not MY ridiculous strawman, I'm trying to explain how people use the term to you. I myself am very liberal, but of course there plenty of liberals, particularly teenage ones, who simply don't know what they are talking about, and that's where most the SJW stereotypes come from.
Being against gay conversation therapy doesn't make someone an SJW, of course they turned on you. In the past before it was made illegal, most of it WAS torture.
I don't know what gay conversion therapy is like so I can't even understand how it's even torture. What do they do to the patients in there? It would be interesting to see if there were videos about it or stories about being in gay conversion therapy. I think it's harsh to turn against someone for not knowing about gay conversion therapy. That is just called ignorance or naivety than bigotry or homophobia. But if they refused to be educated about it and refused to listen and understand, then that would be another story.
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underwater wrote:
On the other hand, I was mistreated at work for being pregnant and sick. That's a real power imbalance; in that situation you are completely dependent on others.
Damn, that sucks Ganondox wrote:
Because neo-cons have the same attitude of good vs. evil, must-enforce-our-views-on-others, the difference is the neo-cons actually have power.
Oh. That makes sense.Ganondox wrote:
Anyway, if someone can be convicted of rape and not expelled from university, then I don't think the SJWs are any threat.
Is the reverse scenario possible? Expulsion but no conviction?Ganondox wrote:
PS: Back in my day, SJW was used specifically to refer to people who took up others group's causes despite being unwanted (e. Kony 2012), now it just seems to be blanket applied to anyone with progressive stances the user doesn't like. It's impossible to have a real conversation if no one knows who is ACTUALLY be criticized and for what, all it does is create a circlejerk of hate because SJW is a negative label.
True. I've never heard anyone refer to themselves as an SJW but recently I have heard people say they advocate for "social justice".
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Ganondox wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Geekonychus wrote:
In my experience, SJW is just a blanket insult for anyone (especially women) who dares have an opinion that's left of center on the internet. The term is way too broadly applied to just fit your very specific strawman definition.
You should all just be honest and use the terms liberal or feminist instead of hiding your animosities behind silly acronyms. At least then you'd be easier to understand and take seriously.
You should all just be honest and use the terms liberal or feminist instead of hiding your animosities behind silly acronyms. At least then you'd be easier to understand and take seriously.
It's not MY ridiculous strawman, I'm trying to explain how people use the term to you. I myself am very liberal, but of course there plenty of liberals, particularly teenage ones, who simply don't know what they are talking about, and that's where most the SJW stereotypes come from.
Being against gay conversation therapy doesn't make someone an SJW, of course they turned on you. In the past before it was made illegal, most of it WAS torture.
I don't know what gay conversion therapy is like so I can't even understand how it's even torture. What do they do to the patients in there? It would be interesting to see if there were videos about it or stories about being in gay conversion therapy. I think it's harsh to turn against someone for not knowing about gay conversion therapy. That is just called ignorance or naivety than bigotry or homophobia. But if they refused to be educated about it and refused to listen and understand, then that would be another story.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_therapy
It's not for not knowing about conversation therapy, it's for defending. It's only a step below defending the nazis.
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Ganondox wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Geekonychus wrote:
In my experience, SJW is just a blanket insult for anyone (especially women) who dares have an opinion that's left of center on the internet. The term is way too broadly applied to just fit your very specific strawman definition.
You should all just be honest and use the terms liberal or feminist instead of hiding your animosities behind silly acronyms. At least then you'd be easier to understand and take seriously.
You should all just be honest and use the terms liberal or feminist instead of hiding your animosities behind silly acronyms. At least then you'd be easier to understand and take seriously.
It's not MY ridiculous strawman, I'm trying to explain how people use the term to you. I myself am very liberal, but of course there plenty of liberals, particularly teenage ones, who simply don't know what they are talking about, and that's where most the SJW stereotypes come from.
Being against gay conversation therapy doesn't make someone an SJW, of course they turned on you. In the past before it was made illegal, most of it WAS torture.
I don't know what gay conversion therapy is like so I can't even understand how it's even torture. What do they do to the patients in there? It would be interesting to see if there were videos about it or stories about being in gay conversion therapy. I think it's harsh to turn against someone for not knowing about gay conversion therapy. That is just called ignorance or naivety than bigotry or homophobia. But if they refused to be educated about it and refused to listen and understand, then that would be another story.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_therapy
It's not for not knowing about conversation therapy, it's for defending. It's only a step below defending the nazis.
That was when it was done prior to the 1980s. What I need is the facts for now? All I said at the time was that they might have been exaggerating the dangers of conversion therapy.
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Ganondox wrote:
progressive stances
SJWs don't have progressive stances.
Considering no one can agree on what an SJW is, who are you to say they don't? Pretty much the only thing people can agree on is that they are progressive, meaning the opposite of conservative. That's not a synonym for good, it's just a description of the political stance.
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