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EzraS
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02 Feb 2017, 5:38 am

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So those bigots who complain about immigration can go pound salt.

or vote for Trump ...


So, we're agreed bigots voted for Trump?


Isn't stereotyping Trump voters as bigots, displaying bigotry? Is not using terms like "Trumpanzees" and all the other pejoratives I keep seeing a display of bigotry?


I didn't say all Trump voters were bigots; rather, I was just asking if it was agreed that bigots voted for Trump.


Were there any bigots who voted for Clinton?



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02 Feb 2017, 5:42 am

I got next on the swings!

Obviously, it's the people who want to let the refugees in who have the selfish policy.


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02 Feb 2017, 5:54 am

cyberdad wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
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So those bigots who complain about immigration can go pound salt.

or vote for Trump ...


So, we're agreed bigots voted for Trump?


Isn't stereotyping Trump voters as bigots, displaying bigotry? Is not using terms like "Trumpanzees" and all the other pejoratives I keep seeing a display of bigotry?

No not all Trump voters, maybe at least 62% of them
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... 69519d8e50


That is an opinion article written by someone specified as an opinion writer. This is merely one person's opinion. You have a pattern of providing this type of material. It's either one obscure person's opinion or outright sensationalism. This makes the Trump voters being "deplorables" and bigots et al appear to be a claim that can't be backed up. Just more wholesale labeling and branding people considered undesirable by those who speak against bigotry.



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02 Feb 2017, 6:05 am

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I don't get why people want Muslims in their country.

Because they're human beings?

Because they're refugees fleeing war?

You act like this is a vacation for them.

These are excuses the profiteers give. Those that profit on refugee immigration.

The ordinary citizen doesn't want a bunch of dirt poor, non-English speaking, differently looking, differently cultured people in the neighborhood.

So you agree with Trumps decision to prevent permanent residents from returning to THEIR HOMES. You know this has lead to people who needed medical treatment dying? Hate not love?



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02 Feb 2017, 6:40 am

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
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So those bigots who complain about immigration can go pound salt.

or vote for Trump ...


So, we're agreed bigots voted for Trump?


Isn't stereotyping Trump voters as bigots, displaying bigotry? Is not using terms like "Trumpanzees" and all the other pejoratives I keep seeing a display of bigotry?


I didn't say all Trump voters were bigots; rather, I was just asking if it was agreed that bigots voted for Trump.


Were there any bigots who voted for Clinton?


Probably.


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02 Feb 2017, 7:57 am

EzraS wrote:
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/clinton-wasnt-wrong-about-the-deplorables-among-trumps-supporters/2016/09/12/93720264-7932-11e6-beac-57a4a412e93a_story.html?utm_term=.7969519d8e50


That is an opinion article written by someone specified as an opinion writer. This is merely one person's opinion.

Actually, Ezra, the author quotes quite a few studies; I'm not sure you can discount the article because it is someone's opinion.

I found this passage particularly funny:
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Clinton’s infelicitous “basket of deplorables” phrase, with echoes of Victor Hugo and Indian castes, takes its place alongside Romney’s “binders full of women” in the awkward pantheon and could only have been devised by a woman who previously gave the world “ladders of opportunity.” But for the large number of racists drawn to Trump, the shoe fits.



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02 Feb 2017, 8:03 am

Honor killing in San Berdino. No wait, it's just the usual American way of oppressing women by stalking and killing the ones who flee domestic violence.


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02 Feb 2017, 8:05 am

marshall wrote:
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Barchan wrote:
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I don't get why people want Muslims in their country.

Because they're human beings?

Because they're refugees fleeing war?

You act like this is a vacation for them.

These are excuses the profiteers give. Those that profit on refugee immigration.

The ordinary citizen doesn't want a bunch of dirt poor, non-English speaking, differently looking, differently cultured people in the neighborhood.

So you agree with Trumps decision to prevent permanent residents from returning to THEIR HOMES. You know this has lead to people who needed medical treatment dying? Hate not love?


They got waivers and it is temporary.



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02 Feb 2017, 8:11 am

Death is not actually temporary, nor are the effects on her American family.


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02 Feb 2017, 8:57 am

he and his gang of thugs can do no wrong in the eyes of his supporters, remember he said he could murder somebody on fifth avenue and his people would still love him? it's true.



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02 Feb 2017, 9:02 am

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he and his gang of thugs can do no wrong in the eyes of his supporters, remember he said he could murder somebody on fifth avenue and his people would still love him? it's true.


Yet it's left wing agitators that are acting violent and thuggish, do repudiate their violence?



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02 Feb 2017, 9:06 am

There's a lot of space between repudiation of the tactics of some protesters and calling for a return to the old days, when protesters were carried rather than walked out.

Back on topic, you'll want to see the Holocaust Museum interview with Rae Kushner, Jared's grandmother. She recalls being kept out of the US by an immigration ban.


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02 Feb 2017, 11:23 am

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he and his gang of thugs can do no wrong in the eyes of his supporters, remember he said he could murder somebody on fifth avenue and his people would still love him? it's true.


Likewise it seems he and his staff can do no right in the eyes of his detractors.



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02 Feb 2017, 11:34 am

Go back and listen to the fawning coverage of his Supreme Court announcement. I heard it on two major networks, and both times it sounded to me like they were patting him on the head. He did a normal announcement and it was just perfect. He stayed on topic, and his pick will be just the thing to reassure nervous Republicans.

I didn't even comment on it, thinking I'd let it slide. He did not correctly state either Judge Gorsich's current position, nor the position for which he is nominated. I thought it would be picky to point it out, and I only do so because most aspies know the meaning of the word perfect, and we can probably get general agreement that word perfect is the bare minimum for any definition of perfect.

This just in, in related news, Trump is thanked by the Imam at Texas Capital Muslim Day for the huge turnout. Two thousand showed up just to prevent a repeat of the disgusting scene two years ago, taking the christian protesters somewhat off guard. That's Austin, though, which is Texas-adjacent.


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02 Feb 2017, 12:25 pm

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If they are so "valuable" as you say, then surely some other country would welcome them.

Almost every European country is filled to capacity with refugees, already. Even small European countries like Italy and Ireland have done their part. The United States is one of the largest countries in the world by population, so how are you going to tell me that Germany can support tens of thousands of refugees but the U.S. can't?

The first-world countries that have taken the fewest number of refugees (in proportion to native population) are the United States, Russia, Japan, and Israel. And since when does the U.S. pass up a perfectly good opportunity to show up Russia?



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02 Feb 2017, 2:44 pm

EzraS wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
he and his gang of thugs can do no wrong in the eyes of his supporters, remember he said he could murder somebody on fifth avenue and his people would still love him? it's true.


Likewise it seems he and his staff can do no right in the eyes of his detractors.


So far, Trump's nominees look like a bunch of plutocratic oligarchs, with the exception of Jeff Sessions, who probably has a white robe and pointy hood in his closet. And DeVoss is just a burnt out lightbulb. Steve Bannon, who probably has a brown shirt and Swastika armband in his closet, has gotten Trump to appoint him to the National Security Council, a position he has zero competency in, but which would catapult him to perhaps the power behind the Presidency (ala Dick Cheney). Sean Spicer as Press Secretary is the living embodiment of alternate facts.
Fun fact about Spicer - one newspaper accidentally called him Sean Sphincter. :lol: :lol: :lol:


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