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20 Jan 2018, 4:27 pm

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(Sigh) I never once called children on public assistance parasites. I think you know I was referring to heartless conservatives.


There's the derogatory generalisation again.

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Of course I wasn't being complimentary to conservatives for their heartlessness. But it's the truth.


It's your opinion. You're arguing from stances, not from principles. It's a lazy, partisan genetic fallacy which you frequently fall back on to ad hom people on this forum when you lack an actual argument.

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Of course I have a bias against conservatives... if they care about someone before they're born and after they die, but could care less about them - even hinder their existence - in between.


And again! I don't think you're even aware you're doing it.


Then demonstrate to me how I'm wrong about conservative ideology, particularly on this matter.


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20 Jan 2018, 6:34 pm

Seen on a sign today:

You can't ban abortions. You can only ban SAFE abortions.


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20 Jan 2018, 9:05 pm

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Seen on a sign today:

You can't ban abortions. You can only ban SAFE abortions.


You endorse this kind of thinking? Theft still happens, despite the laws against it. Let's make theft legal and regulate it, let's make it safer in order to minimise harm to both the thieves and victims. No more messy home invasions where burglars beat up the residents! No more thieves shot in self-defence! Rejoice! Safer theft for all! Have a problem with this? Remember...you can't ban theft. You can only ban SAFE theft.


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21 Jan 2018, 6:04 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
(Sigh) I never once called children on public assistance parasites. I think you know I was referring to heartless conservatives.


There's the derogatory generalisation again.

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Of course I wasn't being complimentary to conservatives for their heartlessness. But it's the truth.


It's your opinion. You're arguing from stances, not from principles. It's a lazy, partisan genetic fallacy which you frequently fall back on to ad hom people on this forum when you lack an actual argument.

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Of course I have a bias against conservatives... if they care about someone before they're born and after they die, but could care less about them - even hinder their existence - in between.


And again! I don't think you're even aware you're doing it.


Then demonstrate to me how I'm wrong about conservative ideology, particularly on this matter.


You're still trying to put the burden on others to disprove your fallacious stances, Bill. Find some principles, then we'll talk.



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21 Jan 2018, 10:38 am

New Study Shows What Happens to Women After They Are Denied Abortions



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21 Jan 2018, 11:09 am

adifferentname wrote:
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adifferentname wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
(Sigh) I never once called children on public assistance parasites. I think you know I was referring to heartless conservatives.


There's the derogatory generalisation again.

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Of course I wasn't being complimentary to conservatives for their heartlessness. But it's the truth.


It's your opinion. You're arguing from stances, not from principles. It's a lazy, partisan genetic fallacy which you frequently fall back on to ad hom people on this forum when you lack an actual argument.

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Of course I have a bias against conservatives... if they care about someone before they're born and after they die, but could care less about them - even hinder their existence - in between.


And again! I don't think you're even aware you're doing it.


Then demonstrate to me how I'm wrong about conservative ideology, particularly on this matter.


You're still trying to put the burden on others to disprove your fallacious stances, Bill. Find some principles, then we'll talk.


Why would I want someone else to disprove my stances, as I know they're correct?


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21 Jan 2018, 11:34 am

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Why would I want someone else to disprove my stances, as I know they're correct?


There we have it.



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21 Jan 2018, 4:52 pm

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Why would I want someone else to disprove my stances, as I know they're correct?


There we have it.


Wow, just wow! That's such a snappily empty comeback! :P


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21 Jan 2018, 5:00 pm

It would be a rare day to see anyone who is "pro-life" speak out about gun control in relation to the sadly numerous child victims who die in the USA from the lack of it. Total silence on their right to life. Pro-life only matters to pro-lifers when women's rights are at issue, and that silence speaks very clearly.

There have been more child deaths and injuries from guns so far this year than there have been days of the year:
http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/repor ... red-killed



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21 Jan 2018, 5:07 pm

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It would be a rare day to see anyone who is "pro-life" speak out about gun control in relation to the sadly numerous child victims who die in the USA from the lack of it. Total silence on their right to life. Pro-life only matters to pro-lifers when women's rights are at issue, and that silence speaks very clearly. It seems that many of the pro-lifers are very anti-gun control, which is telling.


That's especially the case since the pro-life movement has been co-opted by the political right, and started parroting the right's other social and political stances. For instance, why is the pro-life movement not endorsing the social safety net for needy mothers-to-be?


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21 Jan 2018, 5:16 pm

Oh I see. That explains Trump's newly found support for right to life as a dogwhistle to his NRA money providers. And they have provided millions, so as he has been bought he has to show that he's their man and deliver, which is what the dogwhistler in chief is doing. Also, if the supposition that the NRA were involved as money launderers in all this - if - then Trump has additional reason to keep them satisfied. He wouldn't want them spilling the beans to Mueller. What has the USA become?



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21 Jan 2018, 7:58 pm

The terms I use are simply pro- or anti-abortion.

If one calls themselves "pro-life", but has no plan for kids when they're born, are they really pro-life?

If one calls themselves "pro-choice", but derides people who have chosen to be parents as "stupid breeders", are they really pro-choice?


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21 Jan 2018, 8:14 pm

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The terms I use are simply pro- or anti-abortion.

If one calls themselves "pro-life", but has no plan for kids when they're born, are they really pro-life?

If one calls themselves "pro-choice", but derides people who have chosen to be parents as "stupid breeders", are they really pro-choice?


To be fair, how many people who identify as pro-choice do you encounter deriding people who have chosen to be parents as "stupid breeders"?

Those who who support abortion as a means of population control might not be pro-choice, similarly those who support forced abortion for whatever reason (eugenics, population control, etc) certainly wouldn't be pro-choice, they're clearly unconcerned with choice.

One can be anti-choice, pro-life. (traditional 'pro-life movement' types)
One can be pro-choice, pro-life. (advocate against abortion, but still prefer it to be legal but with significant restrictions)
One can be pro-choice. (advocate for abortion on demand with little to no restrictions, essentially leaving it as a decision between the woman and her involved medical professionals)
One can be pro-choice, but also pro-abortion (like the pop. control folks, so long as they ultimately support choice even if it means undermining their population control ideals)
One can be anti-choice, pro-abortion. (like if they're pro-eugenics, or pro-forced abortion for unmarried women, or for some demographic categories but not others)


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21 Jan 2018, 8:51 pm

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adifferentname wrote:
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Why would I want someone else to disprove my stances, as I know they're correct?


There we have it.


Wow, just wow! That's such a snappily empty comeback! :P


There's nothing I could add that would be more damning than your own admission, Bill.

It's sad that you don't see why.



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21 Jan 2018, 9:00 pm

adifferentname wrote:
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adifferentname wrote:
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Why would I want someone else to disprove my stances, as I know they're correct?


There we have it.


Wow, just wow! That's such a snappily empty comeback! :P


There's nothing I could add that would be more damning than your own admission, Bill.

It's sad that you don't see why.


What admission? I'm talking about you.


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21 Jan 2018, 9:02 pm

If this thread had a pole I would have answered with pro-abortion.


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