Historical Misconceptions That We Hate

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I wonder if the same amount of men are bi as women but it's simply the differing levels of acceptability of both that create an illusion of more women being no or at least more women being willing to experiment.

Seeing as how the South fought a war in order to be able to keep humans as slaves, I don't feel bad that the South got it's a$$ handed to them.

Yeah slavery is evil. No arguments from me on that. But whose to say that they wouldn't have eventually abolished slavery themselves if they were allowed to walk away from a corrupt government that didn't give 2 s**ts about them? The ONLY reason they kept us from leaving the Union was because they wanted to exploit us for our crops and to ensure that we kept paying that ridiculous high tax on the goods we were shipping.

Oh and btw, only a small percentage of southerners actually owned slaves and plantations. The greater majority of them like my own ancestors were poor farmers and sharecroppers who did their own hard work out in the fields every day. The South was a very poor part of the country and it still is today. Only rich people got to have slaves and servants!

The REAL reason they fought in that war was because they were tired of being cheated and controlled by an oppressive government that wasn't willing to negotiate, just like when the Americans fought the British during the American Revolution. Slavery was nothing more than a propaganda ploy used to encourage the war and increase the tensions between the North and the South by a corrupt government that just wanted money and didn't give a s**t about human lives (just like the American government today!).

Yeah I know, we lost the stupid war and we should get over it. Maybe if those damn Yankees weren't always acting so surperior and self-rightous while rubbing our noses in the fact that we lost miserably and had slaves (nevermind the fact that they too had slaves at one point and that they were killing the Native Americans) then we actually would get over it.

They are the ones who encourage the hostilities left over from that BS war that happened over a century ago. They insult us everywhere on TV and every time they come down to visit this region and they always refuse to accept the fact that things have changed in the south for the better now and that we are not all the racist inbreeding redneck trash who eat opossums and drink moonshine while playing banjo music that they make us out to be.

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^^^^ That was by no means the only reason however. I've been reading Harper Lee's Go Set a Watchman and it seems a very insignificant percentage of Southerners had slaves as they were too poor.

No, the South definitely fought a war to be able to keep other humans in bondage.

And, being from the Northeast, I get tired of hearing about "coastal elites." Most Yankees don't care one way or the other about Southerners.

Obviously, but I don't get it when people (usually white people) just shrug their shoulders and act like slavery was no big deal.

According to Harper Lee's book there was a class system in the South just like there was in the UK. There seems to me there were similarities between the poor people of the south,resisting attempts to end discrimination and expand civil rights, and the mainly Afrikaner portion of South Africa in the 1920s and 1930s, feeling marginalized through poverty brought about by the Anglo-Boer War. The scorched earth policy of Kitchener resulted in their farms being burnt and thousands of women and children perishing in concentration camps. They moved to the cities to find work on the mines and in blue collar occupations. These factors caused deep resentment against not only the British but the blacks as well, leading to an increase in Afrikaner nationalism which led to the eventual triumph of the National Party and the eventual evils of entrenched apartheid, forced removals etc.

Neither slavery nor racial discrimination can ever be justified, but the reasons for it, and the similarities with the US South were a rearguard thinking, blaming their woes on people seen as threats to their way of life. Fear is usually a cause of many injustices and heartache.

That's what you think, but I have actually read what the war was REALLY about.

And you obviously have never lived in the south and had to put up with a schoolteacher from New Jeresy who was always complaining about everything in this region or had it out for you because you were a white southerner, and you clearly haven't read comments about the Civil War Documentaries on Youtube from people who say that we are all dirty evil racist hicks who deserved no mercy and that they wish they had another General Sherman today so that they could do another war and destroy us all over again (yeah like wtf have we done to deserve that this time?) I know for a FACT that some Northerners do hate us too and they insult us all the time even when we try being friendly to them. They think they are heroes who are so much better than us, but to me they will never be anything but war criminals who never got punished for their crimes just like when it came to all the bad s**t Amuuurica did during World War 2 and Vietnam.

Oh and here's one of those youtube documentaries about General Sherman where you can read the hostile comments about the south below just so that you know I'm not making it up.

https://youtu.be/x9cxXnzBeaQ

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Slavery WAS a big deal and there is no arguing that it was wrong. But people up north seem to be under the impression that we were all a bunch of lazy white crackers sitting on our asses in big plantation mansion making slaves do all our work for us while we beat them with whips.

The entire south was not like Gone With The Wind. Most white people picked their own damn cotton.

Oh and how about the fact that you guys were the ones that forcibly removed the Native Americans from their lands and killed off any tribes that fought back like the Apaches? You guys were just as evil and racist towards any non-white person in this country as we were so just admit it.

Btw I apologize for all the angry ranting. Historical Misconceptions about the American Civil War are definetly something I hate.

I think it should be pointed out that while many white southerners believe the American government was oppressing them, most Presidents, Supreme Court judges, and the heads of house committees were from the south. The south in fact had had more power and influence than is actually appreciated today.
The idea that the states rights of the south were being violated was in fact untrue. Northern states were required to arrest and return runaway slaves by law, even when they didn't want to. Also, in the Dred Scott Decision ruling, the Chief Justice wrote that slavery was legal everywhere in America, even though the northern states had already outlawed it, though admittedly no one really tried to put that travesty to the test.
While it was true the majority of southerners weren't slave owners, most still supported the institution. A clear class order existed in southern society where people could rest assured they were superior to the people socially below them. The poorest white southerners could take comfort in knowing the black slaves would forever be below them. With the Union victory and emancipation, Confederate veterans formed terrorist organizations such as the KKK in order to suppress the black freedmen. The various rebirths of the Klan in American history, such as during the civil rights movement of the 1960's, were also reactionary movements meant to keep blacks the lowest on the class ladder.

Funny you should mention that because Andrew Johnson, the man who became president after Lincoln's assassination, was in fact from the south and he still held sympathy for them. He is often regarded as one of the worst American presidents in history (he passed laws that severely limited the rights of black people) but I really hate to imagine what could have happened to the south after the war and the assassination of Lincoln if we had a Northern president who simply didn't give a damn about us and thought that we all deserved to be shot as traitors after surrendering.


And the North did just as much dirty s**t to us during (and after) the war as we did to them. The only difference is that they were never punished for their war crimes like we were obvously because they won the war. They never faced executions for Elmira (like the people who ran Andersonville did) for starving Confederate POWs and leaving them out in the cold to freeze to death intentionally and they were never punished for attacking civilians during Sherman's March to the Sea. Both of these things would be regarded as war crimes today!

That's the good ol' USA for you, they win every war by commiting war crimes and they NEVER get punished for it. Instead they go down in history as the heroes because they look for something evil that the other side did to deflect any blame off themselves.

And for the record I'm probably one of the few people in the South who openly admits to not liking Amuuurica. For a region that tried so hard to leave this country in a violent civil war and were looked down on for what they did you won't find Americans anywhere else who are as (blindly) loyal and patriotic about the USA as they are here (except if you visit New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina they re still pretty passed about that). I am not one of them and I can laugh at the irony of American Southerners waving a US flag in one hand and a Confederate flag in the other.

Personally I despise both of those flags because to me they both represent a long history of oppression.

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We got a new flag when apartheid ended as the old one was viewed as a symbol of oppression and racial discrimination.

They called on members of the public to submit designs for a new flag, I was one of probably thousands who did.

If the US got a new flag maybe it could feature the bald eagle.

I think that's awesome for you.

Speaking of the American bald eagle, isn't it ironic that my country nearly drove its national symbol into extinction? Kind of like China and their pandas. Ironic maybe?

I say we wait until the entire US eventually gets their behinds handed to them before we design a new flag.

I currently reside in Arkansas, and have for ten years.

And the Civil War was about slavery. The confederates specifically stated as much that one of the biggest things they were fighting for was slavery. If you want to bury your head in the sand and pretend that Southerners were just a bunch of innocent victims, be my guest, but I don't much care for rose-colored glasses.