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11 Nov 2019, 9:57 am

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Twizty doesn't like the things that American soldiers have done recently, as ordered by those of higher command. I don't like these things, either.

But the solution is not to get all upset about it. The solution is to seek to change it legally. Nothing wrong with peaceful protest, with signs and all that.

People like Thurgood Marshall and Martin Luther King were SMART. They didn't get all angry, even though they were angry. They actually DID SOMETHING. They were smart about it. They did it the legal way (though, in the case of King, with some nonviolent "civil disobedience."

Do you feel that getting all angry, going on a rampage, will be of any use?







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Most of us are, you know. The best folk are those who are aware of it, acknowledge it and try to change for the better. And I wonder if a good many of those responsible for terrible abuses during war, regret it later when they have their own families, or do they suppress and deny all memory of it?



Interesting... I think the ones with any hope of redemption would regret it and be eaten alive by guilt and self-destruction. Especially if they were never held accountable... I feel terrible for soldiers, sent to do the bidding of their governments. So many come back addicted, traumatized, etc... and then have to figure out a way to reintegrate into society. I think that's when having a code is key. So much used to happen outside public view, I hope there were more than a few who were able to say, "this is TOO far, and it's something I will not do."

As for the others, if they can carry on as if nothing happened, there's little hope imo. But, I've never been a soldier, so I shouldn't judge. I guess I don't know what I'm capable of were my back against a wall. Maybe the soldiers themselves are truly shocked by some of their actions, as if a part of them existed that they had no knowledge of up until that point. Either way, I do not envy them. They do a job I wouldn't want to try and reconcile.


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11 Nov 2019, 10:08 am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghrai ... ercussions


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11 Nov 2019, 10:29 am

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse#Repercussions




So they are held accountable! Good to know!


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11 Nov 2019, 11:06 am

So now we are feeling sorry for those poor sadistic murdering soldiers...

How 'bout some sympathy for the victims being tortured in those photos? :roll:



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11 Nov 2019, 11:12 am

who's feeling sorry for the soldiers?


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11 Nov 2019, 11:23 am

Not me... actually I was feeling a degree of satisfaction.


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11 Nov 2019, 11:29 am

Wolfram87 wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse#Repercussions


Frankly I don't think they were punished enough. If this sort of thing happened in occuppied Japan during World War 2 under General Douglas MacArthur those soldiers would have gotten the death penalty.

Hell, any civilian in the US who did the sort of things those soldiers did would be considered a sadistic serial killer and would get either the death penalty or life in prison.

The fact that some of those soldiers are out of prison now and allowed to walk the streets sickens me.



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11 Nov 2019, 11:34 am

I can almost hear everyone else in my country whine at the top of their lungs, "IT'S TOO COOOOLLLLD!!"

As someone who prefers cooler weather, that drives me up the wall. :? With a set of snow tires. :lol:



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11 Nov 2019, 11:37 am

So what was that about not being bloodthirsty?


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11 Nov 2019, 11:40 am

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So what was that about not being bloodthirsty?


I guess you're ok with letting sadistic killers and rapists walk free.



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11 Nov 2019, 11:45 am

I'm okay with people being punished according to their crime. Now, I agree with you that several of the people involved seemingly got off rather lightly, but since you seem to be implying that the only appropriate punishment would be death, I'm okay with erring on the side of non-hysteria.


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11 Nov 2019, 11:49 am

Wolfram87 wrote:
I'm okay with people being punished according to their crime. Now, I agree with you that several of the people involved seemingly got off rather lightly, but since you seem to be implying that the only appropriate punishment would be death, I'm okay with erring on the side of non-hysteria.


I support the death penalty for murder. So yeah. Also I don't like you. :twisted:



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11 Nov 2019, 11:54 am

I know, but considering your wildly fluctuating emotional state, I don't attribute your opinion on that matter much weight.

And I actually do kind of like you. You're like a little yappy dog that sometimes goes hysterical and barks ceaselessly at imaginary mailmen.


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11 Nov 2019, 11:57 am

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I know, but considering your wildly fluctuating emotional state, I don't attribute your opinion on that matter much weight.

And I actually do kind of like you. You're like a little yappy dog that sometimes goes hysterical and barks ceaselessly at imaginary mailmen.


And you're a smartass. No matter how smart you think you are, s**t still comes out.



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11 Nov 2019, 12:00 pm

TW1ZTY wrote:
Wolfram87 wrote:
I know, but considering your wildly fluctuating emotional state, I don't attribute your opinion on that matter much weight.

And I actually do kind of like you. You're like a little yappy dog that sometimes goes hysterical and barks ceaselessly at imaginary mailmen.


And you're a smartass. No matter how smart you think you are, s**t still comes out.

This is getting out of hand. Both you guys are basically decent sorts, could you possibly go back and delete at least some of what you've just said?


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11 Nov 2019, 12:03 pm

You will hear no argument from me with regards to me being a smartass. And I wouldn't ever want to be so smart as to have s**t not come out. Constipation is a b***h.

I once opened a fortune cookie, and the note read "You are exactly as great as you think you are". How did the cookie know? 8O


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