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27 Jul 2020, 8:17 pm

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27 Jul 2020, 8:20 pm

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^Ever watch the Tour De France?

Not really. Not really into watching. More into taking part in events, but never bothered with road events other then time trialling.

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27 Jul 2020, 11:00 pm

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Catholics do a lot of charity work in the US. They are a distinct minority amongst Christians here.

I can't speak for the US but in Australia and much of South East Asia they primarily service their own kind. Almost the all the best known charities in Australia are linked to the Anglican church and Weslyans who never sought converts or were looking for kickbacks.

The catholics do charitable work like Mother Theresa's missions in Calcutta, however there is good evidence that many of these missions are designed to convert locals. In particular (and this is well documented) they have been struggling to recruit nuns and priests from affluent nations so target poorer third world countries where poverty drives new converts into the priesthood.

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27 Jul 2020, 11:19 pm

cyberdad wrote:

kraftiekortie wrote:

Catholics do a lot of charity work in the US. They are a distinct minority amongst Christians here.

Not sure where "St Vincent De Paul" and "Salvation army" are linked to "Anglican" or "Weslyan" churchs, nor how they try to convert locals, but they are the most common\prominent charities I have seen around Melbourne (and in the country), with no evidence of "Anglican" or "Weslyan" charities (maybe they only service the affluent suburbs?).

Not sure what you have against the catholic church, but unsubstantiated claims such as "poverty drives new converts into the priesthood" certainly make it seem like it must be something personal...I highly doubt they would ordain people into the preisthood who were "called" to it through poverty, instead they would be more likely to try and help them out of poverty.

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27 Jul 2020, 11:40 pm

Brictoria wrote:

Not sure where "St Vincent De Paul" and "Salvation army" are linked to "Anglican" or "Weslyan" churchs,

The Salvos are protestant methodists and St Vinnies don't recieve a cent from the Catholic church (check their website)

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27 Jul 2020, 11:41 pm

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Not sure what you have against the catholic church,

Spent 12 years in a catholic school and I acknowledged the good work of Mother Theresa

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28 Jul 2020, 1:21 am

cyberdad wrote:

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Not sure where "St Vincent De Paul" and "Salvation army" are linked to "Anglican" or "Weslyan" churchs,

The Salvos are protestant methodists and St Vinnies don't recieve a cent from the Catholic church (check their website)

So, we've determined that neither of the biggest charities in Australia are "Anglican" or "Weslyan"...

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The St Vincent de Paul Society is a lay Catholic organisation that aspires to live the gospel message by serving Christ in the poor with love, respect, justice, hope and joy, and by working to shape a more just and compassionate society.

Source:https://www.vinnies.org.au/page/About/Mission__Vision/

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Is the St Vincent de Paul Society a part of the Catholic Church?
The Society is a lay Catholic organisation and does not receive any direct funding from the Catholic Church. The Society enjoys a close relationship with the Catholic Church and is assisted through parishes and schools.

Source:https://www.vinnies.org.au/page/About/FAQs/

Not sure where you got the idea they aren't a Catholic charity...And just because they "don't receive a cent" (as you claim) doesn't mean they don't receive indirect financial support (noting that their page indicates no "direct funding from the church", which does not rule out the possibility of support from individual churches\parishes\diocese, or fundraising from these areas on behalf of them), nor does it mean they don't receive other, non-financial help.

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28 Jul 2020, 3:36 am

Brictoria wrote:

Not sure where you got the idea they aren't a Catholic charity...And just because they "don't receive a cent" (as you claim) doesn't mean they don't receive indirect financial support (noting that their page indicates no "direct funding from the church", which does not rule out the possibility of support from individual churches\parishes\diocese, or fundraising from these areas on behalf of them), nor does it mean they don't receive other, non-financial help.

According to their website "The Society is a lay Catholic organisation and does not receive any direct funding from the Catholic Church"

All I am saying is the catholic church direct their money strategically

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28 Jul 2020, 4:03 am

cyberdad wrote:

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And yet you falsely claimed that Catholics "primarily service their own kind", with no evidence to support, it, along with claiming that "Almost the all the best known charities in Australia are linked to the Anglican church and Weslyans", yet the Salvation Army and St Vincent De Paul are neither of these, and are the best known and most wide-spread charities in the country.

In Australia, it is actually a catholic charity, along with another derived from the Methodist church which are actually the biggest charities (off-hand, I can't think of an Anglican or Wesley charity...Maybe they only exist in the more affluent areas?).

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28 Jul 2020, 8:55 pm

Perhaps I was being a bit harsh but what I said about catholic schools favouring their own is correct.

The upkeep of their beautiful churches all over the world and their palatial buildings in the vatican would also be rather expensive to maintain as well.

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28 Jul 2020, 9:15 pm

^^^
Certainly the upkeep on the Catholic empire is expensive but the Catholic Church also sponsors hospitals and numerous charities.
At least in the US, I can't speak for Australia

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28 Jul 2020, 9:38 pm

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Certainly the upkeep on the Catholic empire is expensive but the Catholic Church also sponsors hospitals and numerous charities.
At least in the US, I can't speak for Australia

We certainly Catholic hospitals and charities in Australia ("St Vincent de Paul society" being one of the 2 main charities here, the other being the Salvation Army).

Sadly, it seems, anything favourable to the Catholic church needs to be ignored\hidden by a certain sub-set of people, as it goes against the preferred narative regarding the church and clergy.

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28 Jul 2020, 9:42 pm

Brictoria wrote:

vermontsavant wrote:

^^^
Certainly the upkeep on the Catholic empire is expensive but the Catholic Church also sponsors hospitals and numerous charities.
At least in the US, I can't speak for Australia

up till uni - my mom studied at a catholic school, she called it a 'convent' - not one of her classmates was ever christian, but it's known that they set up a lot of schools in south asia, and it was supposed to have the best education. (did not try to convert them)

actually the majority of christians in south asia are converts from a generation or two back, because of the catholic schools/charities/help available

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28 Jul 2020, 10:59 pm

Brictoria wrote:

Sadly, it seems, anything favourable to the Catholic church needs to be ignored\hidden by a certain sub-set of people, as it goes against the preferred narative regarding the church and clergy.

The "preferred" narrative regarding the church and clergy isn't exactly all that far from the truth.

My own experience spending 12 yrs as an Anglican in a private catholic school was tantamount to being constantly reminded by staff and students that I was the only non-Catholic allowed to enter their sacremented ground.

However, mainstream catholic schools might be more socially inclusive of non-catholics.

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28 Jul 2020, 11:23 pm

cyberdad wrote:

Brictoria wrote:

Sadly, it seems, anything favourable to the Catholic church needs to be ignored\hidden by a certain sub-set of people, as it goes against the preferred narative regarding the church and clergy.

The "preferred" narrative regarding the church and clergy isn't exactly all that far from the truth.

So, you're saying that > 50% of the clergy were engaged in the activity behind the narative (less, making it a minority, and it is therefore far from the truth...And I would estimate it is likely less than 5% - still too many, but not as pervasive as you are trying to make it sound).

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[My own experience spending 12 yrs as an Anglican in a private catholic school was tantamount to being constantly reminded by staff and students that I was the only non-Catholic allowed to enter their sacremented ground.

However, mainstream catholic schools might be more socially inclusive of non-catholics.

Having attended a Catholic secondary school myself, there was no different treatment of non-Catholics to that which Catholics recieved, either from staff, or from fellow students...But then again, my parents didn't have the money to send me (or my siblings) to one of the "private catholic schools" (as you call them), as we weren't "upper class", so I can't speak for what the "elites" experienced and will have to take your word for what it was like there. That said, I do wonder why your parents continued sending you to a catholic school if it was as bad as you claim here...Was it by any chance a boarding school?

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